Relentless Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Cant wait for World Eaters to be stuck on 1w for who knows how long after the CSM codex finally drops. How long must we suffer? Maschinenpriester and Vesalius 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I've seen multiple rumours of different timelines. Some have said Chaos Knights and CSM in March, some have said CKnights in March and CSM in April. I also saw a rumour that CSM could be as late as June, but that feels really late. I was told not to expect C:CSM before June. This was from someone on Rock Paper Shotgun. Would not call it reliable, but seems safe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
She Who Thirsts Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Got a question about the Iron Warriors trait. I've made the assumption that the ap shenanigans is against shooting, wouldn't mind some confirmation on that or if it also effects melee weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) Got a question about the Iron Warriors trait. I've made the assumption that the ap shenanigans is against shooting, wouldn't mind some confirmation on that or if it also effects melee weapons? Its seems to be vs everything, iyanden are getting the same rule. Edited January 28, 2022 by Clockworkchris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
She Who Thirsts Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Got a question about the Iron Warriors trait. I've made the assumption that the ap shenanigans is against shooting, wouldn't mind some confirmation on that or if it also effects melee weapons? Its seems to be vs everything, iyanden are getting the same rule. Much appreciated. It definitely makes the trait look less crap and some what usable. If it's all accurate, then it's not all doom and gloom for the Iron Warriors. :D Well, when it comes to their trait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Got a question about the Iron Warriors trait. I've made the assumption that the ap shenanigans is against shooting, wouldn't mind some confirmation on that or if it also effects melee weapons? Its seems to be vs everything, iyanden are getting the same rule. Much appreciated. It definitely makes the trait look less crap and some what usable. If it's all accurate, then it's not all doom and gloom for the Iron Warriors. :D Well, when it comes to their trait. I mean it would make sense thst it is against any source, since it is to represent theyre bionics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Alpha legion •-1 to hit 12" away, if wounds are 10+ then it's 18" •Can charge and perform actions if they fell back •Wanton massacre (super doctrine):Rapid fire, assault, pistol if within half range +1 ap Emperor's children •Ignore any/all modifiers to ws / bs •Any attack on a 6 to wound +1ap •wanton slaughter (super doctrine): Melee hits on a 6 gives additional hit, combine this with the slaughter bonus and you'd get 2 additional hits on 6 Red corsairs •Charge if they advanced •Models count as 2 for obsec Models with 10+ wounds count as 5 •wanton destruction (super doctrine): Heav, rapid, grenade get +1ap Creations of bile •+1 str/move •Fight after death in melee •wanton slaughter (super doctrine): Melee hits on 6 auto wound Random renegade traits •+4" to range other than grenade and relic •After killing a unit, the unit is then considered to be in destruction, massacre and slaughter for the rest of the game Creations of Bile looks insanely powerful. Fight on death lets you trade up very easily. Does it work with daemon engines? Seems like it should if it is a legion trait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Alright something else. Chosen can choose and additional trait, it has now been confirmed that this trait is one of the traits from the build a warband ruleset. I posted earlier today 2 of those traits. For core and characters, you can purchase a gift of the gods Khorne: +1S on the charge I am willing to guess what the others will be. Unmarked units gain some support from stratagems & renegade traits RolandTHTG, Sarges and Brother Captain Vakarian 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) Agents of bile look fun! I played them recently and had a blast. EC seems to be interesting. It is not so cc focussed which is nice. I will miss fighting first though. Chain fist terminators might be a thing maybe... Edited January 28, 2022 by Maschinenpriester Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Glad to hear Iron Warriors are getting exactly what I wanted for my legion; More Armor. Better Shooting. Vesalius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) Venomcrawler •is now FA •is a bit faster (my guess 12" instead of 10") •now gives +1 to psychic tests •claws and mechatentrites are now just 1 weapon (again my guess this means the claw profile may be getting +2a) •ws3 bs3 Edited January 28, 2022 by Clockworkchris RolandTHTG, Khornestar, Brother Captain Vakarian and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Please let me know about Lord discordant Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Please let me know about Lord discordant I asked and was told no major changes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Makes sense, thank you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Please let me know about Lord discordant I asked and was told no major changes. Sounds more like you are fitted for Alpha Legion work brother. Any way they know the Obliterator Profiles? Maschinenpriester 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Curious as well, especially about unit size Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 We are getting "daemon gifts", these are buff you can buy for CORE or CHARACTERS. Khorne +1s to charges Tzeentch ignore damage on first failed save Slaanesh fight first in the fight phase Nurgle -1 damage Khornestar, RolandTHTG and Brother Captain Vakarian 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 We are getting "daemon gifts", these are buff you can buy for CORE or CHARACTERS. Khorne +1s to charges Tzeentch ignore damage on first failed save Slaanesh fight first in the fight phase Nurgle -1 damage Mmm, I can feel the hate and bitterness building in my enemies, as the possibility of 10 3W terminators with -1 ap bolters and -1 damage teleport in and drop 40+6's worth of shots into something. BrainFireBob 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeath Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 We are getting "daemon gifts", these are buff you can buy for CORE or CHARACTERS. Khorne +1s to charges Tzeentch ignore damage on first failed save Slaanesh fight first in the fight phase Nurgle -1 damage Mmm, I can feel the hate and bitterness building in my enemies, as the possibility of 10 3W terminators with -1 ap bolters and -1 damage teleport in and drop 40+6's worth of shots into something. I can see IW players chant "Iron within, Iron without" during the entire opposing shooting phase. :D Vesalius, Iron Inspirit, RolandTHTG and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 We are getting "daemon gifts", these are buff you can buy for CORE or CHARACTERS. Khorne +1s to charges Tzeentch ignore damage on first failed save Slaanesh fight first in the fight phase Nurgle -1 damage Mmm, I can feel the hate and bitterness building in my enemies, as the possibility of 10 3W terminators with -1 ap bolters and -1 damage teleport in and drop 40+6's worth of shots into something. I can see IW players chant "Iron within, Iron without" during the entire opposing shooting phase. You'll make more armor saves, and your opponent will lose moral. Trust me. RolandTHTG 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) Alright something else. Chosen can choose and additional trait, it has now been confirmed that this trait is one of the traits from the build a warband ruleset. I posted earlier today 2 of those traits. For core and characters, you can purchase a gift of the gods Khorne: +1S on the charge I am willing to guess what the others will be. Unmarked units gain some support from stratagems & renegade traits We are getting "daemon gifts", these are buff you can buy for CORE or CHARACTERS. Khorne +1s to charges Tzeentch ignore damage on first failed save Slaanesh fight first in the fight phase Nurgle -1 damage Do the chosen have to pay for them, or are they free? Wondering since if they're core or characters, it's something any unit would be able to purchase as an upgrade. In other words it's nothing that would be unique to chosen, if they paid for them like the other CORE/CHARACTER units. Of course I assume Chosen are core, as they should be. *edit* Oh I misread, I thought the buffs the chosen get are the same as the daemon gifts. Khorne would be the crummy one, as always. ;) Edited January 28, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Obliterators •have essentially big guns never tire(shoot into engagement range with -1 to hit) •ignore modifier for heavy weapons •armed with powerfists without -1 to hit •Has 3 shooting profiles Heavy 9+d6 s5 ap1 d1 Heavy 3+d3 s7 ap2 d2 Heavy d3 s9 ap3 d4 Vettanker, Khornestar, Llagos_Tyrant and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) Obliterators •have essentially big guns never tire(shoot into engagement range with -1 to hit) •ignore modifier for heavy weapons •armed with powerfists without -1 to hit •Has 3 shooting profiles Heavy 9+d6 s5 ap1 d1 Heavy 3+d3 s7 ap2 d2 Heavy d3 s9 ap3 d4 Wow, awesome! The strongest profile is not super impressive but I think it's acceptable given the 3 separate profiles. Now... if they're CORE, they'll be a good unit. Edited January 28, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Obliterators •have essentially big guns never tire(shoot into engagement range with -1 to hit) •ignore modifier for heavy weapons •armed with powerfists without -1 to hit •Has 3 shooting profiles Heavy 9+d6 s5 ap1 d1 Heavy 3+d3 s7 ap2 d2 Heavy d3 s9 ap3 d4 Wow, awesome! The strongest profile is not super impressive but I think it's acceptable given the 3 separate profiles. Now... if they're CORE, they'll be a good unit. I think so too. If that is true then oblits will be more of a anti horde/meq unit with some great flexibility. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 A Word Bearers Tzeentch character is going to be pretty cool if Hexagrammatic Ward stays as a strat (counts a save roll as a 6). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/21/#findComment-5790490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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