Dr_Ruminahui Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Be interesting to see what they do with emperor's children - from what little we've seen here (the banner, the rumour that they can always hit on 2s in melee even with -1 to hit) it looks like the shootiest of 8th ed. legions is becoming one of the assaultiest in 9th. Not to say that there hasn't already been some movement in that direction, what with the Vigilus stratagems and relics that make it easier to get into combat. I do hope they keep a balance, though... EC are a legion that should attempt to do everything well, though in my mind that doesn't mean they should be the best at everything (well, they are best at thinking they are best. :) ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Here are the old veteran skills if we want to theorize while I await more details. Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 Being able to pick an additional trait/ability reminds me of 8th ed Chaos Chosen in WHFB, and would be very flavourful. No invul could well hamstring the unit given 9th ed's absurd lethality but it's obviously too early to tell at this stage. It reminds me of 3.5 Chaos Marines (Non-Marked units, or Marked units in the unaligned Legions, could take a Veteran Skill for the squad). Similarly, 4th Edition Chosen came with Infiltration by default. I was thinking more of blessings/daemonic abilities as opposed to veteran skills given the latter's wider applicability in 3.5 as that's what made Chosen really special, but yeah, 3.5 Chosen had an absolute smorgasbord of options even by the standards of that codex. No exaggeration to say that it's probably the most memorable unit entry of all time for me. Be interesting to see what they do with emperor's children - from what little we've seen here (the banner, the rumour that they can always hit on 2s in melee even with -1 to hit) it looks like the shootiest of 8th ed. legions is becoming one of the assaultiest in 9th. Not to say that there hasn't already been some movement in that direction, what with the Vigilus stratagems and relics that make it easier to get into combat. I do hope they keep a balance, though... EC are a legion that should attempt to do everything well, though in my mind that doesn't mean they should be the best at everything (well, they are best at thinking they are best. ). It's definitely a tricky line to walk for the folks writing our rules. I think the 8th ed F&F rules did the job really well, with some aspects reflecting tactical brilliance, others stressing the use of sonic weaponry and dueling, and our trait effectively a substitute for the traditional Slaaneshi initiative bonus. Currently EC armies can build in a variety of directions even if we're melee-leaning and that's ideally how I'd like it to stay. One thing I'd like to see is - while we wait for our own book and model range - a CP unit upgrade similar to what we've seen elsewhere (e.g. World Eaters have/had their Red Butchers Terminator upgrade). Upgrading a unit of Noise Marines to Kakophoni or Terminators to Phoenix Guard or Lascannon-armed Havocs to Sunkillers, something like that, would be nice and flavourful. There's obviously a lot of room to go that route for other Legions as well if they desired it (e.g. an upgrade for Possessed into Gal Vorbak or Raptors into Ashen Circle for Word Bearers, Terminators into Atramentar for Night Lords, etc). Llagos_Tyrant 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Here are the daemonic gifts Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Ah yes the good old 3.5 veterans and demon gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesalius Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Ok here is a weird one... Greater possessed are supposedly not in the codex Regular possessed S5 t5 w3 5a So either the greater possessed sculpts are going to be used as normal possessed Either these playtester ruleset he has is something special Or maybe hes trying to blurr the line because of all the attention this is getting. My info was on Valrak and spikey bits, so weve gobe full on mainstream. The rumor from awhile back had a quick line about the new possessed being big models. So maybe GP will be rolled into possessed. I’m not sure if GW has ever renamed units like this before, but I could definitely see it! Thanks for these, getting hyped for new CSM. Clockworkchris 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 Ah yes the good old 3.5 veterans and demon gifts. Hopefully this is the book that breaks the curse. :) Llagos_Tyrant, Iron Father Ferrum, SanguinaryGuardsman and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDops Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Here are the old veteran skills if we want to theorize while I await more details. At a guess for 9th ed: Counter-attack - heroic intervention Furious charge - +1 strength on charge Infiltrate - set up anywhere Move through cover - ignore movement penalties Night vision - not too sure Siege specialist - ignore cover Skilled Rider - not too sure Tank hunters - reroll 1s to wound against vehicle Clockworkchris 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 At a guess for 9th ed:Counter-attack - heroic interventionFurious charge - +1 strength on chargeInfiltrate - set up anywhereMove through cover - ignore movement penaltiesNight vision - Ignores cover (night fighting was a turn 1 rule that gave everyone cover even if not in terrain, night vision ignored this)Siege specialist - reroll random shots or reroll random damageSkilled Rider - roll 2d6 drop lowest for advance, or auto advance 6''Tank hunters - reroll 1s to wound against vehicle & monsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 From what ive been told chosen are like csm troops in terms of strength and resilience, so no invuls . I have no info on their attack profile/movement/ws/bs. I was told they gain an additionnal trait that you can choose. Could be a trait from the "build-your-own-warband" part which is most likely coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 An interesting tidbit from the Eldar Codex leaker: CWE has -some- ignore invuln, tau and chaos have a lot more though Currently we have one way of turning off Invulns with Death Hex, I wonder what else we'll get and whether it'll be Legion locked like T'au Khornestar and Marshal Loss 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 An interesting tidbit from the Eldar Codex leaker: CWE has -some- ignore invuln, tau and chaos have a lot more though Currently we have one way of turning off Invulns with Death Hex, I wonder what else we'll get and whether it'll be Legion locked like T'au We've also got one daemon weapon that ignores invuls currently (Q'd'ak, the Boundless - Tzeentch only), from Faith & Fury. If they're playing to the nostalgia crowd we may well see the return of the Dreadaxe in some form Khornestar and TrawlingCleaner 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanger Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Wanton Destruction, Massacre & Slaughter So much thanks for the leaks. I lovet hese names for the "doctrines"! The news on the cult troops is interesting. I would love proper big possessed. And the rumouresd stats would make sense on the greater possessed sized possessed. Maybe I should scour my local area for cheap greater possessed :D Aside from this, I will get the impression, that CSM are gonna be a "dark reflection" of the loyalist astartes with their own twist on it. I assume the Warpsmith will work similar to the techmarine? So the Forgefiend hiting on 2+ and doing 4 damage would mean, that daemon engines have BS 3+, the Warpsmith puts the +1 to hit buff on it, it supercharges it's plasma cannons to D3 and gains an extra +1 from a WT? Damn this all sounds so plausible :D I know this isn't some request thread, but pretty please, can you get some confirmation about daemon engines, that they work similar to DG and TS ones? Like BS 3+? And maybe if Lascannons finally managed to be 3+d3 damage? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Daemon Engines rules for DG and Sons are all the confirmation we realistically need for the 3+ Unfortunately the same is true for your hopes for changes to Lascannons, but such is life... I'm enjoying stretching the grey matter on what may be, not that I needed any more reasons to be looking forward to the new CSM codex. It has been a long time coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) The lack of Greater Possessed is against standard GW policy there, moving kits to Legends that were just released would be a massive red flag for a lot of people. So I'm not going to dwell on that any further, that they're gone in entirety goes against my better judgment so it's just a wait and see on that one. As for the cult marine changes, I only thought plague marines and all made sense for Black Legion (excluding EC/WE from that). I just can't quite imagine Rubric Marines as Word Bearers for instance. So maybe Black Legion will get some rules for incorporating them better, but maybe not. Edited January 27, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhar'Neth Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Maybe they make Greater Possesed unit upgrade, like champions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I would prefer the greater possessed models just be the new regular possessed. Dhar'Neth, Castle Wolfenstein, Vanger and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irate Khornate Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I could see Greater possessed getting rolled into something different. It was more than a little odd how they worked to begin with. Now if they do become the standard possessed that would be amazing. Plus I fully expect the current start collecting box to get phased out/modified into the combat patrol, it's too cost efficient for GW to keep it the same. Which could remove the issue of no model no rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 What is everyone expecting to see at the LVO reveal tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Nothing for chaos shown beyond the eldritch storm models, would be my prediction. Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 What is everyone expecting to see at the LVO reveal tonight? Doomrider resculpt and preview of new Emperor's Children Codex. Maschinenpriester, Doctor Perils, Lexington and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Obviously new Lorgar, Kor Phaeron and Erebus sculpts, with the Word Bearers standalone codex announced /s. Maybe something like a character to start the tease, a Chaos Lord perhaps? Danielatar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 What is everyone expecting to see at the LVO reveal tonight? Doomrider resculpt and preview of new Emperor's Children Codex. Oh my sweet summer child... guys should we tell him? smbarne 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 The CSM codex isn't even out yet and they already started buffing the loyalist characters... Marshal Loss, Llagos_Tyrant, WrathOfTheLion and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesalius Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I’m expecting for 40k all we’ll see is Eldar… but I’d really love to get a peek at the possessed or new cultists. Khornestar and Akylas 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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