Upcoming BL Stuff - 2022

[DarkChaplain]

Emperor's Spears: The First Primaris by Aaron Dembski-Bowden

 

 

Was the limited edition short, wasn't it? Or was it the WD one?

 

 

Wolfspear: The Wolves of Raukos by Guy Haley

 

Awesome news, that's a Dark Imperium spin-off about Bjarni Arvisson, for sure! He was extremely upset about not getting to join the Wolves proper after Raukos, so seeing this plotthread picked up in any way is going to be neat.

 

 

Black Dragons: Bless the Curse by Callum Davis

 

I wonder how this'll jive with Annandale's Black Dragons from way back, when he explored the ideological schism within the Chapter for Space Marine Battles (the novel also featured Setheno of the Sororitas, who tried to turn them into, so to say, the Emperor's daemonic retribution force)

 

 

Angels Penitent: The Sins of My Brothers by Peter Fehervari

 

And this almost makes me cry happy tears (though I'm still hoping for a Brotherhood of a Thousand story, too!)

 

What bothers me about the anthology is the amount of repeat authors coupled with the number of absentees. No MacNiven, no Annandale, no Wraight, no French or Sanders. A bunch of the Chapters were previously written about by absent authors, like Exorcists (Sanders), Black Dragons (Annandale) or Carcharodons (MacNiven, still no third book in his trilogy). Would've been nice to see some of them return to their old haunts.

[DukeLeto69]

2 x ADB and 1 x Fehervari make this a MUST BUY for me!

[Gamiel]

The Successors Anthology is up for preorder on Fnac, so we now have a list of the stories included:

 

Exorcists: The Empty Place by Graham McNeill

Soul Drinkers: The Phalangite Ascendancy by Ben Counter

Flesh Tearers: Disgraced by Chris Forrester

Emperor's Spears: The First Primaris by Aaron Dembski-Bowden

Carcharodons: The Last Planet by Edoardo Albert

Mortifactors: Legacy of Posul by Chris Forrester

Wolfspear: The Wolves of Raukos by Guy Haley

Angels Penitent: The Sins of My Brothers by Peter Fehervari

Crimson Fists: Patience Kills by Gary Kloster

Black Dragons: Bless the Curse by Callum Davis

Consecrators: Living Relics by David Guymer

Iron Lords: Iron Watch by Callum Davis

Emperor's Spears: Son of the Storm World by Aaron Dembski-Bowden

 

That’s a relatively long list, with a bunch of chapters and authors both familiar and new. Seems almost entirely composed of new stories as well.

 

Looks like it will be up for preorder on the 19th with the rest of the Celebration Day stories. Here’s the listing: https://www.fnac.com/livre-numerique/a16646844/Graham-McNeill-The-Successors#omnsearchpos=19

Nice, even if I admit that I had hopped for some more underexplored* chapters to get a story of their own

* as in not had any stories about them at all

[Kelborn]

That's a must buy for me.

Two times Aaron, then Peter and a lot of new stories about successor chapter's who aren't top tier rank in terms of representation. Wolfspear, Mortifactors Black Dragons...

 

Count me in!

[Taliesin]

 

Emperor's Spears: The First Primaris by Aaron Dembski-Bowden

 

 

Was the limited edition short, wasn't it? Or was it the WD one?

 

 

 

Yes this one is in my limited edition of Spear of the Emperor. Its pretty short, around 11 pages and other one is a WD short so that's gonna be a short one too.

I guess the wait for new ADB content will last a little while longer.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Taliesin

[DarkChaplain]

Only the Pariah paperback next week(s). Which once again makes me scratch my head at the release-bumrush they just did.

[byrd9999]

If the ADB Spears short story from White Dwarf is the second ADB story in this compilation then it's very short. About 2-3 pages in WD, so much shorter than some of the others, e.g. Chris Wraight's Sanctioner, which was 6 pages in WD which translated to 12 pages in the Broken City compilation. Expect it to be c.5 pages in paperback and you won't be disappointed ;)

 

ADB's The First Primaris and anything new by Peter Fehervari make this a must-buy for me.

 

I'm curious about Callum Davis' Black Dragons story, but apart from that the flavour of the successor chapters leaves me cold, though I'm always willing to be pleasantly surprised.

[Taliesin]

Overview of everything that goes up for pre-order for the BL celebration:

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/02/black-library-celebration-2022-another-year-of-incredible-models-and-engrossing-stories/

[cheywood]

Seems like it’s the same schedule they’ve used previously for the celebration:

 

War Com posts about BL from the 14th to the 18th

Preorders for the books on the 19th

5 new short stories from the 21st to the 25th

 

Maybe they’ll reveal the title of ADB’s Siege novel in one of the War Com posts.

[Scribe]

 

Maybe they’ll reveal the title of ADB’s Siege novel in one of the War Com posts.

 

Highlight of the year for me probably.

[Bestkeptsecret]

Does anyone anticipate Black Legion 3 this year? Also, in which event in 2H 2022 do you think that Dawn of Fire book 5 will be announced? Book 4 Throne of Light by Guy Haley is coming out in paperback on May 10 according to amazon.ca So, in which black library event will book 5 be revealed?

 

Aaron Dembski Bowden declared on Twitter in December 2021 that he had finished writing a book. Did he mean Black Legion 3 or Siege of Terra book 7? One animation picture creator who is a follower of Aaron on Twitter was cheering "Yeah more Khayon!" does that confirm BL3?

[cheywood]

Does anyone anticipate Black Legion 3 this year? Also, in which event in 2H 2022 do you think that Dawn of Fire book 5 will be announced? Book 4 Throne of Light by Guy Haley is coming out in paperback on May 10 according to amazon.ca So, in which black library event will book 5 be revealed?

 

Aaron Dembski Bowden declared on Twitter in December 2021 that he had finished writing a book. Did he mean Black Legion 3 or Siege of Terra book 7? One animation picture creator who is a follower of Aaron on Twitter was cheering "Yeah more Khayon!" does that confirm BL3?

Black Legion 3 could be this year and it could not be. No advance information’s out there either way at this point. The book ADB finished in September is Siege of Terra book 7. It’s the first book he’s finished in over 2 years and the cover art’s already been revealed.

 

 

There’s usually a BL preview event around the beginning of June and another in November/December. DoF book 5 could be revealed at either of those. However The Wolftime was revealed in a Warhammer Community article and the same could be true of book 5.

[Felix Antipodes]

Looks like famine or feast time again.  Everything on the Feb BL listing bar Pariah PB (this weeks pre-orders) and the Successors anthology will be in the 19th Feb pre-orders as listed on WarCom.  Unless they release something else, or bring forward a March listing, that’s one book left for the remainder of the month.

 

There appears to be a new Ciaphas Cain short in the BL Celebration giveaway.  At least, I don’t recognise the title.

[Taliesin]

Does anyone anticipate Black Legion 3 this year? Also, in which event in 2H 2022 do you think that Dawn of Fire book 5 will be announced? Book 4 Throne of Light by Guy Haley is coming out in paperback on May 10 according to amazon.ca So, in which black library event will book 5 be revealed?

 

Aaron Dembski Bowden declared on Twitter in December 2021 that he had finished writing a book. Did he mean Black Legion 3 or Siege of Terra book 7? One animation picture creator who is a follower of Aaron on Twitter was cheering "Yeah more Khayon!" does that confirm BL3?

 

He did say a few months ago before his social media blackout that he intends to finish Black Legion 3 in the winter. 

[caladancid]

 

Does anyone anticipate Black Legion 3 this year? Also, in which event in 2H 2022 do you think that Dawn of Fire book 5 will be announced? Book 4 Throne of Light by Guy Haley is coming out in paperback on May 10 according to amazon.ca So, in which black library event will book 5 be revealed?

 

Aaron Dembski Bowden declared on Twitter in December 2021 that he had finished writing a book. Did he mean Black Legion 3 or Siege of Terra book 7? One animation picture creator who is a follower of Aaron on Twitter was cheering "Yeah more Khayon!" does that confirm BL3?

Black Legion 3 could be this year and it could not be. No advance information’s out there either way at this point. The book ADB finished in September is Siege of Terra book 7. It’s the first book he’s finished in over 2 years and the cover art’s already been revealed.

 

 

There’s usually a BL preview event around the beginning of June and another in November/December. DoF book 5 could be revealed at either of those. However The Wolftime was revealed in a Warhammer Community article and the same could be true of book 5.

 

 

Are you sure he finished Siege 7? They didn't even have a title for it when the cover was revealed a few months back.

[cheywood]

 

 

 

Does anyone anticipate Black Legion 3 this year? Snip

Black Legion 3 could be this year and it could not be. No advance information’s out there either way at this point. The book ADB finished in September is Siege of Terra book 7. It’s the first book he’s finished in over 2 years and the cover art’s already been revealed. Snip

Are you sure he finished Siege 7? They didn't even have a title for it when the cover was revealed a few months back.

I’m about as sure as one guy who spends too much time stalking his favorite authors on social media can be. I don’t think there’s any other book it could be given that the Siege is so much more time dependent. If you have Twitter search through ADB’s tweets with the keyword ‘siege’ and I think you’ll see what I mean.

 

As an example: https://twitter.com/adembskibowden/status/1409857684971704323?s=21

 

I know ADB’s a slow writer, but if he was working on titles for the book in March he’s presumably settled on one at this point.

Edited February 3, 2022 by cheywood

[DukeLeto69]

My two pence on ADB - he defo said on Twitter that both SotE2 and BL3 were advanced but had to be paused to work on SoT7 which takes precedence for BL due to scheduling. I would lay my hat on the finished book being SoT7 and that he has since returned to either of the other two.

[DarkChaplain]

Fun fact regarding Ka'Bandha's still possible appearance in Siege 7, by way of WarCom's Quality Marketing:

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/03/meet-kabandha-the-greater-daemon-who-nearly-killed-sanguinius-twice/

 

 

Battered and seething, Sanguinius would have to wait until the Siege of Terra to claim his vengeance. As Ka’Bandha chopped his way through the Imperial Palace, the only obstacle still standing between the Greater Daemon and the Eternity Gate – and the Emperor’s throneroom beyond – was Sanguinius.**** 

Once again, the Greater Daemon smashed Sanguinius to the ground. As he stood over the broken angel, preparing to deal a blow that would decide the Horus Heresy, the Primarch summoned his last reserves of strength and power. With a huge effort, he grabbed the Bloodthirster and rose up high into the air. He broke the beast’s back across his knee and hurled his defeated foe into the traitorus horde, before slamming the Eternity Gate shut.*****

 

And here's the funny part: Those footnoes. The first

 

**** Check out some of the Siege of Terra highlights that led to this epic confrontation.

 

 

That article mentioned Ka'Bandha too:

 

And all that’s just from three novels! With five more to go, plus two novellas on the way, imagine how many more epic moments await… The last flight of the Sisypheum, the battle for Saturnine, Loken facing his erstwhile Mournival brothers, the truth of Magnus’ loyalties, Sanguinius and Ka’Bandha’s rematch, Sigismund’s rampage through traitor heroes… oh, and we think there’s some sort of battle on the Vengeful Spirit to look forward to as well.

 

The second footnote, meanwhile...

 

 

***** Learn more in Saturnine.

 

......in which Ka'Bandha doesn't appear.

They literally claim that Sanguinius tore Ka'Bandha a new one in a novel that the Bloodthirster isn't even in. He was namedropped once in the book, alongside a host of named daemons, without featuring himself.

 

My god, WarCom, are you spoiling the next novel, or just making sure we all know you haven't read book 4 of so far 6, but were asked to do marketing anyway? Who even is their editor at this point, because it sure as hell looks like they need a new one.

Edited February 3, 2022 by DarkChaplain

[Kelborn]

Wait, now they're releasing the German version of Valdor? At the same time as Wolftime?! Oo

 

When was it originally released? Two or three years ago?

 

I already gave up my hopes on that series being translated at all...

Edited February 4, 2022 by Kelborn

[Bobss]

Wouldn't surprise me if ADB 'leaves' BL or whatever the correct term is after he's done writing SOT7, BL3, ES2+3 and maybe a Scouring-era Sevatar novel to cap things off. He's been very public about the challenges he's faced in his life over the past few years, which has clearly affected his workrate, and while there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting mind and family first (we've all done this at some point in our lives lbh), I also feel like there's an undercurrent of him falling out of love with churning out novels. I'm sure he still loves Warhammer to bits in all its myriad forms, but that's different. Perhaps he's reached that Abnett-esque part of his career where he drops an absolute bomb every half-decade, idk. For me the 'warning signs' (which sounds totally silly in a discussion about fantasy books but idc) was the announcement of the Emperor's Spears series/trilogy in the first place. That torpedoed the Black Legion series becoming ''his Gaunt's Ghosts'' as it was put by Nick Kyme, I think, whether we wanted to admit it at the time or not

 

Personally, I'm waiting for the Bile omnibus to drop before peacing out. I'm not particularly interested in a lot of the newer books coming out, even if I applaud BL for putting time and attention into non-space marine factions for once, and I'm pretty bored of the Siege as the whole thing reads like one big canon revision. It's not that the older versions of the event were better or truer or any of that sh1te, it's just that instances like the IV Legion clearing off suddenly are green-lit despite absolutely zero attempt to fold this into the wider 30k/40k background - thereby making investing time/money/energy into the IP one big pointless exercise

 

But yeah, give me my BIG BILE BOOK BABY

Edited February 4, 2022 by Bobss

[Taliesin]

Fun fact regarding Ka'Bandha's still possible appearance in Siege 7, by way of WarCom's Quality Marketing:

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/03/meet-kabandha-the-greater-daemon-who-nearly-killed-sanguinius-twice/

 

 

Battered and seething, Sanguinius would have to wait until the Siege of Terra to claim his vengeance. As Ka’Bandha chopped his way through the Imperial Palace, the only obstacle still standing between the Greater Daemon and the Eternity Gate – and the Emperor’s throneroom beyond – was Sanguinius.**** 

Once again, the Greater Daemon smashed Sanguinius to the ground. As he stood over the broken angel, preparing to deal a blow that would decide the Horus Heresy, the Primarch summoned his last reserves of strength and power. With a huge effort, he grabbed the Bloodthirster and rose up high into the air. He broke the beast’s back across his knee and hurled his defeated foe into the traitorus horde, before slamming the Eternity Gate shut.*****

 

And here's the funny part: Those footnoes. The first

 

**** Check out some of the Siege of Terra highlights that led to this epic confrontation.

 

 

That article mentioned Ka'Bandha too:

 

And all that’s just from three novels! With five more to go, plus two novellas on the way, imagine how many more epic moments await… The last flight of the Sisypheum, the battle for Saturnine, Loken facing his erstwhile Mournival brothers, the truth of Magnus’ loyalties, Sanguinius and Ka’Bandha’s rematch, Sigismund’s rampage through traitor heroes… oh, and we think there’s some sort of battle on the Vengeful Spirit to look forward to as well.

 

The second footnote, meanwhile...

 

 

***** Learn more in Saturnine.

 

......in which Ka'Bandha doesn't appear.

They literally claim that Sanguinius tore Ka'Bandha a new one in a novel that the Bloodthirster isn't even in. He was namedropped once in the book, alongside a host of named daemons, without featuring himself.

 

My god, WarCom, are you spoiling the next novel, or just making sure we all know you haven't read book 4 of so far 6, but were asked to do marketing anyway? Who even is their editor at this point, because it sure as hell looks like they need a new one.

 

I read that yesterday and it was so weird, I was wondering what they were referring to when they said check out Saturnine. I was like ...they didnt face off in that book? I mean, what is that even about, how can you make such a huge, blatant error?

 

It also brings up the idea of what these guys actually know. Do they actually know that one of the future Siege books will bring that rematch or are they just drawing on the older lore? I also really dont think any of these dudes would have read or had access to Siege of Terra 7, so it seems unlikely they would know that rematch is actually coming. They are probably just going off the existing lore.

 

I still hope that book 7 features Angrons vs Sanguinius, and I wouldnt mind if on the way to that , we have another go between Sanguinius and the Bloodthirster.

Edited February 4, 2022 by Taliesin

[DukeLeto69]

The marketing team can only go off the information provided to them by the “product team”. I suspect there are meeting notes from the writers room planning discussions on the SoT series.

 

They will have identified all the key “moments/lore nuggets” and then divvied these up with the authors based on where in the timeline their novel falls and what story they are going to try to tell.

 

This would have been adjusted as the novels were written and replanning will have taken place.

 

But the marketing team will only know what they are told.

[Taliesin]

Wouldn't surprise me if ADB 'leaves' BL or whatever the correct term is after he's done writing SOT7, BL3, ES2+3 and maybe a Scouring-era Sevatar novel to cap things off. He's been very public about the challenges he's faced in his life over the past few years, which has clearly affected his workrate, and while there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting mind and family first (we've all done this at some point in our lives lbh), I also feel like there's an undercurrent of him falling out of love with churning out novels. I'm sure he still loves Warhammer to bits in all its myriad forms, but that's different. Perhaps he's reached that Abnett-esque part of his career where he drops an absolute bomb every half-decade, idk. For me the 'warning signs' (which sounds totally silly in a discussion about fantasy books but idc) was the announcement of the Emperor's Spears series/trilogy in the first place. That torpedoed the Black Legion series becoming ''his Gaunt's Ghosts'' as it was put by Nick Kyme, I think, whether we wanted to admit it at the time or not

 

Personally, I'm waiting for the Bile omnibus to drop before peacing out. I'm not particularly interested in a lot of the newer books coming out, even if I applaud BL for putting time and attention into non-space marine factions for once, and I'm pretty bored of the Siege as the whole thing reads like one big canon revision. It's not that the older versions of the event were better or truer or any of that sh1te, it's just that instances like the IV Legion clearing off suddenly are green-lit despite absolutely zero attempt to fold this into the wider 30k/40k background - thereby making investing time/money/energy into the IP one big pointless exercise

 

But yeah, give me my BIG BILE BOOK BABY

 

Come on Bob, dont throw in the towel! We're very likely to see 2 ADB books this year which is pretty much unheard of. Personally I kind of hope he quietly finished Spears 2 but BL3 is the one he said he wanted to finish in the winter.

[DarkChaplain]

Nothing new listed for next week's preorders either.

[aa.logan]

There *must* (surely?) be some sort of logistics reason for the feast/famine approach to new BL books, because I cannot fathom why they are doing what they do. One 40K novel released at a time would allow equal buzz to develop for all titles- the dual release of Krieg and TTDK:2 makes no sense with this spell of absolutely nothing coming out.