[BC] A Vulgar Display of Power: OOC/Discussion Thread

[Necronaut]

@Xin Ceithan you can let me know in here what you want to do with Khyran (as if I don't already know).

[Xin Ceithan]

12 hours ago, Necronaut said:

@Xin Ceithan you can let me know in here what you want to do with Khyran (as if I don't already know).

Is it that obvious?  
 

But yeah, Khyran is surely going to make his way to the Cardinal to take a look.

Bolter fire guest Astartes or at least some more  goons with more bling, so that would be a good start to get some info on Varsaal.

 

I’ll see if I can squeeze in some short IC description, but I am also half way into the intro for Serpent..

[Lysimachus]

17 hours ago, Trokair said:

 

It might have bene 3 months out here, but in the Gutted Cardinal it has been perhaps half an hour...

 

16 hours ago, Necronaut said:

 

5-10 minutes more like. The Gods of the Warp have been known to treat space-time as their plaything, after all.

 

 

Definite time warping. 

 

Oswyld has had a near fight with a pack of Kroot (except they ran off, the cowardly whatsits, so he didn't get to kill anything - I'm now most envious of Iorek and Sakal! ), met up and conversed with Valeyard, made a speech to the locals, travelled a bit, spotted Abraxus and he joined the band, travelled half way across Desolace to the Observatory and they've threatened their way in!

 

...actually, maybe it's a good thing we're taking a break while the fight gets resolved...

 

 

 

 

 

[Trokair]

I have some mechanic questions, in my second placeholder last night I said my intent was to lay into the horde with the chainsword and a semi auto burst from the laspistol. But I did not have the time to actually look anything up or roll dice.

 

So now I am looking through the BC core book to try and work out how it works. As I do not have Two Weapon fighter (melee) or (ranged) I guess I cannot do so, but I cannot actually see anything that says I cannot, just that with those talents there are certain things to consider, and with ambidextrous it gets easier.

 

Secondly, I note that I did not determine a handedness during character gen, and as I do not have ambidextrous I really should. Where do I find this, or do I just pick?

Edited December 16, 2023 by Trokair

[Necronaut]

@Trokair great questions:

 

1. Unfortunately you are correct, as a clause on Black Crusade, p. 243 states, "If a character has the Two Weapon Wielder talent he may may attack with both weapons..." The wording of this is pretty cut and dry, at least to me. Further the wording of the Two Weapon Wielder pretty clearly states that the talent functions mechanically by granting the character a second attack action with their other hand following their initial attack action, meaning this is otherwise not a possible action to take. My advice to you, in this case, would be to take an action that could maximize your melee attack DoS vs the horde as hordes take 1 additional magnitude damage per 2 DoS on your attack roll. Since you cannot dodge or parry the horde when engaged with it in melee, the All-Out-Attack action is your best option, making use of your character's chainsword.

 

2. Your character's handedness is entirely up to you, and if you pick up the Ambidextrous talent later then that obviously becomes a moot point. However, do note that any attacks made with your offhand, even if you're just making a single attack, are resolved with a -20 penalty.

[Necronaut]

@Lysimachus that's a good point actually. It would seem that I have been a bit uneven in my treatment of activity across the group. I would guess that roughly 30-60 minutes of "real-time" have elapsed in game to varying degrees.

[Trokair]

Thought as much, but was just checking in case I was being extra blind.   

 

10 minutes ago, Necronaut said:

2. Your character's handedness is entirely up to you, and if you pick up the Ambidextrous talent later then that obviously becomes a moot point. However, do note that any attacks made with your offhand, even if you're just making a single attack, are resolved with a -20 penalty.

 

Spotted that which is why I was trying to work out what handedness. I guess Right-handed it is. Char sheet updated

 

As I did state Sakal was holding both the pistol and the chainsword and did not apply any penalty to hit in round one the laspistol is therefore currently in the right and the chiansword in the left.

 

 

Edit: Both palceholders filled with fluff and actions. 

 

Edited December 16, 2023 by Trokair

[Mazer Rackham]

GM, if I may, Humans can evade Hordes in BC, but they get no bonus to Hit for Size.

Edited December 16, 2023 by Mazer Rackham

[Necronaut]

@Mazer Rackham ah quite. Let's stick with that in the interest of keeping our humans alive.

 

@Trokair looks like you're getting a freebie then due to my oversight! ;)

[Trokair]

28 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

GM, if I may, Humans can evade Hordes in BC, but they get no bonus to Hit for Size.

 

10 minutes ago, Necronaut said:

@Mazer Rackham ah quite. Let's stick with that in the interest of keeping our humans alive.

 

@Trokair looks like you're getting a freebie then due to my oversight! ;)

 

I think I missed something here, but I'll take a freebie ...  (except tentacles, those the gods can keep)

[Necronaut]

@Trokair moving 3m away from the horde will trigger an attack of opportunity just FYI.

 

@Mazer Rackhami I have a draft post 90% complete but my Saturday mornings are usually incredibly busy. Will have a follow up post up in a few hours.

[Trokair]

16 minutes ago, Necronaut said:

@Trokair moving 3m away from the horde will trigger an attack of opportunity just FYI.

 

Yep, but as I had a half action left I figured it was worth a try, Sakal is more of a ranged combat guy, so if I can create even a little distance that might help. Somehow.

[Mazer Rackham]

23 minutes ago, Necronaut said:

@Mazer Rackhami I have a draft post 90% complete but my Saturday mornings are usually incredibly busy. Will have a follow up post up in a few hours.

 

No sweat, I dig.

 

3 minutes ago, Trokair said:

Yep, but as I had a half action left I figured it was worth a try, Sakal is more of a ranged combat guy, so if I can create even a little distance that might help. Somehow.

 

Here's a query for @Necronaut that may involve this - if the leader is in the Horde, can he be singled out with a Called Shot?

[Necronaut]

@Mazer Rackham in this instance the leader is not a part of the horde -- he has distanced himself from his lackeys. Otherwise if he was fighting side-by-side with or amongst them then I would say yes.

 

 

2 hours ago, Trokair said:

 

 

I think I missed something here, but I'll take a freebie ...  (except tentacles, those the gods can keep)

 

Oh the freebie was I didn't catch your character making an attack with his offhand and that he should have had an associated attack penalty. Don't worry about it.

Edited December 16, 2023 by Necronaut

[Mazer Rackham]

He's playing hard to get, eh?

 

More queries: 1) How high is the ceiling, and 2) what is it made of?

[Necronaut]

@Mazer Rackham 3m ceiling. Rock. Rock, rock and more rock. We can get into the geological specifics if you like:

 

The asteroid base Desolace is predominantly composed of basaltic rock with an iron-nickel core, or at least it had such a core with trace deposits of other precious or semi-precious minerals before the mining crews discovered and gutted it many centuries ago. Its many chambers and passageways are the result of deep core mining. Otherwise there are relatively few permanent structures deeper in the asteroid, wih the vast bulk being concentrated on or close to the surface. Curiosuly, since this is such a small planetoid (mere tens of kilometers in diameter) one would expect it to have a gravitational field a mere fraction of Terran standard, but it has what would otherwise be regarded as a normal feeling gravity throughout.

[Mazer Rackham]

Mhm, mhm. Excellent, most excellent.

 

And one more, if I may, oh Overlord of Variable Violence, how much exceptionally indigestible and utterly flammable rotgut is within Iorek's immediate reach?

[Necronaut]

Well in the spirit of wanton and depraved violence, I would say there's probably a bottle of rotgut within reach, but you might need to drop your chainsword to grab it unless you can somehow wedge the eldar warrior between yourself and the wall and keep him pinned with your character's body or shoulder, if you follow me.

Edited December 16, 2023 by Necronaut

[Lysimachus]

Blimey, I hadn't realised that you can't use a Reaction in your own Turn! Just looked at the DW book and it's there too!

 

(Really happy I went with the Deed that grants Counter-attack for Elvrit in the other game, will have to think about getting it for Oswyld too!)

Edited December 17, 2023 by Lysimachus

[Mazer Rackham]

1 hour ago, Lysimachus said:

Blimey, I hadn't realised that you can't use a Reaction in your own Turn! Just looked at the DW book and it's there too!

 

(Really happy I went with the Deed that grants Counter-attack for Elvrit in the other game, will have to think about getting it for Oswyld too!)

 

Yeah, paired up with a shield, Counter Attack just gets better, since you Parry off the shield with Defensive at like +25 or something (for example), then drop back with a high WS attack.

 

Taking Talents like Wall of Steel (Extra Parry), Swift Attack etc just turns anyone with Two-weapon Wielder (Melee) into Zorro.

 

In Deathwatch, IMHO it's literally the only reason to take Stalwart Defence, since otherwise you can't Dodge, and can be baited into destroying your weapon on a Power Field, where you'd be better served Dodging if you have high or even moderate AG.

 

Edited December 17, 2023 by Mazer Rackham

[Lysimachus]

2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

Yeah, paired up with a shield, Counter Attack just gets better, since you Parry off the shield with Defensive at like +25 or something (for example), then drop back with a high WS attack.

 

I'm not sure, but I think Counter-attack says it has to be the same weapon, so either you get the extra +5 to Parry (Shield is +15, Sword is +10) or you get to hit back with the better weapon... though a shield bash is a pretty cool move... 

 

2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Talents like Wall of Steel (Extra Parry), Swift Attack

 

I like the way you think, mate. Got Lightning Attack on Elvrit, Wall of Steel is (one of) the next thing(s) on the list now we are Rank 3 in that game! 

 

 

2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

can be baited into destroying your weapon on a Power Field

 

I thought its the Attacker's weapon that could be destroyed, rather than the parry-er's? (Fortunately Elvrit SigWargear'd a Power Sword, I can't remember if there are any even stronger weapons that could destroy a PW, but they must be pretty rare?)

 

 

Edit: anyway, I'm probably getting off topic by talking about a different game/PC in this thread. To get back on track, I'll say again it's a smart move Iorek counterattacking the DE - given how slippery they are, anything that stops them using multiple Dodges is great thinking! 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2023 by Lysimachus

[Mazer Rackham]

1 hour ago, Lysimachus said:

I'm not sure, but I think Counter-attack says it has to be the same weapon, so either you get the extra +5 to Parry (Shield is +15, Sword is +10) or you get to hit back with the better weapon... though a shield bash is a pretty cool move... 

 

Ah, yes you're right. It also incurs -20, which I forgot in the calc, but it makes no difference as the roll was below -20 anyway IIRC.

 

EDIT: Yeah, calc redone, still connects.

 

1 hour ago, Lysimachus said:

I like the way you think, mate. Got Lightning Attack on Elvrit, Wall of Steel is (one of) the next thing(s) on the list now we are Rank 3 in that game! 

 

 

1 hour ago, Lysimachus said:

I thought its the Attacker's weapon that could be destroyed, rather than the parry-er's? (Fortunately Elvrit SigWargear'd a Power Sword, I can't remember if there are any even stronger weapons that could destroy a PW, but they must be pretty rare?)

 

I think you're right, I'm rusty, I'll have to refresh. :p

 

I know Relic Blades can eat Power Weapons.

 

1 hour ago, Lysimachus said:

Edit: anyway, I'm probably getting off topic by talking about a different game/PC in this thread. To get back on track, I'll say again it's a smart move Iorek counterattacking the DE - given how slippery they are, anything that stops them using multiple Dodges is great thinking! 

 

Cheers. It was worth the try. 

 

Edited December 17, 2023 by Mazer Rackham
Calc checks.

[Trokair]

On 12/16/2023 at 2:22 PM, Mazer Rackham said:

GM, if I may, Humans can evade Hordes in BC, but they get no bonus to Hit for Size.

Could you point at where it says this, I am binge blind again. 

[Mazer Rackham]

BC Core, p 274 & 275.

[Trokair]

20 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

BC Core, p 274 & 275.

Thanks, I was looking at p348-350.