World eaters speculation thread.

[Marshal Mittens]

I will be getting some boxes to make a 30k/40k Khorne force. Some Chappy levithans to go with them. The new Bezerkers look great to me, though I still like the AoS Khorne helms better. 

[Khornestar]

Back to speculation... I wonder what they're gonna do with the juggerlord.

I'm really hoping for a fist and axe situation, or a sweep/smash ( i.e. multi-damage high strength as well as more hits with lower damage). Seems like a common enough pattern at this point across all new armies. This makes it both more and less likely the juggerlord will get such a thing. :D

[betrayer41]

Interesting stuff here to say the least.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/05/get-a-first-look-at-brand-new-world-eaters-parts/

[Vardus]

Looks like Red Butchers are no longer terminators but are now Mutilators! {possibly?}

[betrayer41]

Apparently we can’t take terminators at all red butchers or not…..t

[Cheex]

4 hours ago, betrayer41 said:

Interesting stuff here to say the least.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/05/get-a-first-look-at-brand-new-world-eaters-parts/

u/OK_Entrepeneur did say (before they shut down their Reddit account) that we'd be getting an awesome-looking unique Possessed unit. Maybe that's what's going on here?

20 minutes ago, betrayer41 said:

Apparently we can’t take terminators at all red butchers or not…..t

I really hope that rumour isn't true. At the very least, even if there's something that I can use my Terminator models as reasonable proxies. Losing Havocs I can understand, but World Eater Terminators have been a thing from the beginning.

[INKS]

how many of you with forces are going to retool for new berserkers and such? 

Is there a unit you use now that should be more WE like? Or should be special to world eaters?

 

I might pick up 1 unit of old berserkers just to have in the army. As a call back. 

Edited September 10, 2022 by INKS

[Khornestar]

I'm gonna have to buy the new kit, at least one box. I think I already have more berzerkers than I'd use in a balanced list, but nonetheless the sculpts are just too good, and fit in with the other stuff like chosen, raptors, etc. quite well.

Well, with obvious reservations I'd say my terminators/red butchers should be more WE-like in the form of a kit/rules. 

Raptors, same thing, they should have access to the 2-handed weapons to make them more WE-focused. 

[MadEdric]

I mixed parts from the Bezerkers, the new CSM kit, and the Blood Warriors from AOS. Very happy with them. Right now I holding firm with no new models until I get a certain amount painted. The new Bezerkers will be one of the first buys though.

[WrathOfTheLion]

It'll be interesting to see a little bit closer to release date, as some of the speculated lists are weird. They have some inclusions, and some removals, but definitely looks a bit imperfect.

Makes me wonder if things like the speculated bikes will make their appearance then if they do end up included in the Codex.

[Stealth_Hobo]

So, the after the latest previews, what are people's reactions or thoughts? I think the new juggerlord looks awesome!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/08/warhammer-day-reveals-crush-and-maim-for-khorne-with-lord-invocatus/

But it seems the rumours turns out to be true, so no new terminator unit for us.  The claw and the hammer from the rumor mill turned out to be a dark mechanicus character/daemon whatever. I guess there still might be a chance for mutilators or equivalent unit?

According to rumours our only shooty units would daemon engines, predator and land raider which would be really uninspiring imo. During the Lord Invocatus reveal stream, they mentioned about allying with daemons, which would get us access for even more melee units, but at least it sounds cool and flavourful.

So, what do you all think?

[Plaguecaster]

World eaters without a terminator unit would be utterly stupid and unfair considering both DG and TS have their own legion unique ones. No matter how trusted or believable the rumour source is it has to be utter bs 

Why would they give world eaters the ability to make terminators "red butchers" with a stratagem from their recent rules  if they aren't going even allow terminators for them at all in the actual legion codex 

I know it's GW but even they can't be that stupid and cruel 

Right.....?

Edited October 9, 2022 by Plaguecaster

[Cheex]

I hold on to the slim hope that the original leaker said no new Terminators or Red Butchers, and that we'll still have some way to represent them. Unfortunately, their posts are deleted and all references I can find to them are secondhand recollections, rather than direct quotes.

Very, very slim hope.

I have no doubt that I'd find a way to cope with the change, but it would still disappoint me. Absolute worst case scenario is that I keep using the current Index rules for my continuing Crusade force.

Edit: on a more positive note, I am loving everything that we have seen so far. Even if the initial wave is a bit shallow, the follow-up waves will be great as well, and something else to look forward to.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Cheex

[Vardus]

Don't forget there is still the earlier Mutilator/Terminator type arm shown in a WarCom article that still needs a kit to go with.

All in until all the kits that are coming are revealed a Terminatoresque type unit could still be on the horizon.

[Nephaston]

There's also the off chance of one of the units described as possessed (the "regular" ones and the super stuffed one) being in terminator armour, but it not being mentioned since it's not the defining feature. That would be a clever way to distinguish them from Scarab Occults and Blightlord which are, outside of their Dusty/Plaguey nature generally in line with the Tetminator archetype.

Additionally there's the chance of any dedicated Unit pared out for Kill Team being excluded from any playtest documents for the codex, only to be added later. Sister Neophytes for example got revealed a solid month after sisters came out.

All in all my bet is on the bare armed chainfist bits they showed off.

[INKS]

Speculation wise - new berserker size. I am wondering how much bigger they are going to be over the old models. I am tempted to get some FW bits and use 1 box of old models to give me something to work on while we wait. what do you all think?

[firestorm40k]

1 hour ago, INKS said:

I am wondering how much bigger they are going to be over the old models.

I don't have an image at hand, but they'll most likely match the current Chaos Space Marine sculpts in proportion/stature, and they are approximately 3mm higher than the older sculpts. 

 

The are where the difference is most noticeable is the legs - the torsos and arms are mostly to the same scale as current kits. 

 

Bear in mind also that when comparing the current kit to the venerable Berzerker kit, that may scale a bit better to the newer miniatures, due to some of the running poses in that set. 

 

Other than the FW parts, were you planning on using the old Chaos Marine or Berzerker kit as the base? I think that some of the FW parts could be used with the newer kit, without too much conversion work (heads and shoulder pads certainly). 

[INKS]

Right now I am looking at the Raptors kit for the legs, FW Conversion with the shoulders, chest and heads. Not sure on the arms. I could use the raptor arms for the most part but I'd rather them have axes.

[firestorm40k]

I've not used the current Raptor kit, but I've seen comments that they scale well to the newer kit(s). 

 

If you want axes, I guess the best bet is the outgoing Berzerker kit, or the current Chaos Marine kit has some axes in (iirc). Third party bits resellers or auction sites look to be a good source for those! Or 3d printing also 

[MadEdric]

Remember with the new Bezerkers having just “Chain weapons”, chain swords are just as good. Unless you really want the chain axe look, which is a cool look.

[Cheex]

I haven't seen this discussed elsewhere, but SirSarge on the World Eaters discord posted this a few days ago:

 

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MY BIG LEAKY POST, NOTHING BELOW IS CONFIRMED, TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT

 

Based on a Play test book:

 

Currect CSM units that will be in WE:

- Chaos Lord

- Chaos Lord in Terminator armor

- Daemon Prince of Khorne

- Khârn

- Berzerkers

- Cultists

- Helbrute

- Spawn

- Rhino

- Predator

- Land Raider

- Defiler

- Forgefiend/Mauler

- Khorne Possessed (modified stats)

- All previous FW csm models

 

New Units:

- Talk of a priest

- No raptors but there is some other fast attack unit

- Red Butcher's name was mentioned in the book

 

These are all subject to change as this was just the playtest book but tester is pretty confident these will all stay

 

Furthermore:

- Angron will NOT have a Daemonic save

- WE box is rumored

- There is a 2nd page to the leaked blurry Angron picture

- More juggies

- Some of the stratagems, relics and warlord traits are the same as current WD477

- Angron is buff bloodthirster

- We will have Antitank

- No teeth of Khorne unit. WE will heavily melee focused.

- Angron was tested with a ranged option

 

Nothing overly groundbreaking, and a lot of it could be explained as educated guesses on the part of their source, but since we don't have much else at the moment it's still worth discussing!

[betrayer41]

Digging Lord in Termie Armor and atleast mention of butchers.  There's hope!!

 

 

Weird that there;s no lord invocatus though......

Edited October 25, 2022 by betrayer41

[Wolf Guard Dan]

Lord of Skulls also isn’t on the list. But would it be considered “previous FW CSM models”? 
 

thought Angron picture had some beastmen looking unit in back but maybes that’s a new cultist sculpt?

[Nephaston]

No lord of skulls for world eaters would be the exact kind thing GW would overlook, lmao.

 

[Khornestar]

13 hours ago, Wolf Guard Dan said:

Lord of Skulls also isn’t on the list. But would it be considered “previous FW CSM models”? 
 

thought Angron picture had some beastmen looking unit in back but maybes that’s a new cultist sculpt?

It isn’t a FW model, but who knows what this person means by that truly?

 

Still clearly not a complete list, so taking it with yet more salt.

 

”More juggies” is quite promising…