Upcoming BL Stuff - 2023

[chevalierdulys]

btw, for spain & portuguese people (or any other there are a lot of paperbacks from black library being sold at 8,32€ in amazon.es. Some hardback cost around 12€. I bought Huron for 12,32 euros... 

[Felix Antipodes]

10 hours ago, OpossumStrong said:

Well, as expected...

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/25/black-library-celebration-2023-scintillating-tales-from-the-worlds-of-warhammer/

 

 

They do release several special edition at the same day, I'm not sure how we suppose to get all the books we want 

 

I did contact their support a month ago, asked about preferred shipment method, and combining orders, the problem is that when you press place order, its taking you straight to payment, with standard delivery option, wich is my case is awful, because local post can take weeks with the order being delivered, as well they said "no we cant combine orders after the payment", my plan was to order SoT first, and then if DoF is stil in stock, get it as well, and then ask them to combine my orders, but it seems I'll have to pay twice for delivery and twice my local tax, at this point I'm so frustrated with those special editions, even when i do receive the books, I'm not feeling hyped or happy at all.

And yet they still can’t update their own ‘coming attractions’ page - which is supposed to be up to date to the end of Feb - to reflect the BL Day releases.  Trying to outwit those pesky scalpers maybe 

[theSpirea]

The mess that happened with Special vs Limited for Warhawk might have contributed to the change, and the fact that SoT sells out immediately, no matter what. Some eshops started sending out regular hardback edition of Warhawk way before the Limited one was even announced. People started asking BL :cuss: is going on, why they already have hardbacks sitting in a warehouse for months. Shortly after the photos of Warhawk regular hardback started appearing, BL announced Warhawk and stated it's getting simultaneous release Special + regular. So by their very own definition, Warhawk, EoE are no longer Limited editions but Special editions. Sanguinius is also Special and not Limited.

 

Another series that's all over the place is the "40K characters". Ghaz + Helbrecht + Shadowsun are Limited but for some reason Huron was Special. I'm using the Limited/Special terms exactly how GW defined them, WH Community articles don't always bother to follow it.

[chevalierdulys]

I really wonder if BL, a company that wants to sell books, don't have like a person/team that controls their sales vs places(warehouses) and get some info on what should be publish 5000 copies and what should be 15000 copies. Horus Heresy solds a lot, their innitial take on the HB should be higher.  Another thing is, if they want to sell more books, do as they do with paperbacks in amazon/bookdepostiry. Put the HC novels their as preorder.  OR if they want to earn the full 22€, put the damn preorder on your novel. This way they would know how many people whould be interested in book a or b. I am browsing rest of eu GW site and you got some HC than nobody bought and are there for months. This is pure error on their side. They could easily understand there would be more people on some HC for some SM or IG novel than for a Sigmar.

 

I would say they should mimic bookdepository/amazon -  they create the novels at preorder (some far cheaper than GW) in advance. They know ok we have 8000 reservations, lets buy 10000 and rarely a book stays for long there ( I am talking about BL novels only where the interest usually is in the release date/weeks and then dwindles and not like stephen king or brandon sanderson they will always sell. Why BL chooses to have a couple hundreds copies of books and they are sol on an hour (paperback of assassinorum kingmaker - I am looking at you). 

 

Just this week I bought Huron & Astorath both HC for 12.67€. They have like Sigismund  or day of ascension also by the same price. Some paperback are 8.62€ like dark emperium saga among others. 

 

--Resume;I think BL could do a bit better if they had a team that investigate what sells and not. They could also learn from big companies and do themselves.

[cheywood]

Simon and Schuster has listed the hardcover for Cypher: Lord of the Fallen. The release date is July 18th, so the limited edition will presumably be available sometime in April if they’re sticking to the 3 month delay Helbrecht got. 
 

Link: https://catalog.simonandschuster.com/TitleDetails/TitleDetails.aspx?cid=1440&isbn=9781804072974&FilterByName=Season&FilterBy=15&FilterVal=Summer+2023&ob=62&pn=1&ed=&showcart=N&camefrom=&find=&a=

[Taliesin]

Unless it releases together with the Lion book Valrak mentioned , alongside the release of 10th edition ( which would be June-July as they rumor).

[cheywood]

39 minutes ago, Taliesin said:

Unless it releases together with the Lion book Valrak mentioned , alongside the release of 10th edition ( which would be June-July as they rumor).

The Warhammer Community BL Preview called it a limited edition, but then again they also called Angron an LE and it looks like that’s releasing all at once if FNAC’s to be believed. I just love the BL release schedule guessing game. 

From a subject matter perspective I don’t know if this book will give much away about the Lion’s return. I say that only because it seems to be a rewrite/reformat of the Cypher audio drama that BL announced in 2019 but never released. 

 

[Kelborn]

When does Angron drop and in which format? LE only?

Next weekend?

 

[Tolmeus]

As of now, it is probably going to drop simultaneously with the second 'Arcs of Omen' (covering Angron) sometime in february. 

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/19/warhammer-preview-online-the-first-three-arks-of-omen-books-revealed/

 

As for the format, it was already teasered to get at least a hardback as well as an limited (/or special) edition. 

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/16/black-library-gets-really-angry-with-a-new-angron-novel/

Edited January 29, 2023 by Tolmeus

[aa.logan]

Special edition of 1,500 with bonus short as well as hardback, ebook and audio. French language version too.

[OpossumStrong]

7 hours ago, Kelborn said:

When does Angron drop and in which format? LE only?

Next weekend?

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/29/sunday-preview-get-mad-as-hell-and-fight-the-entire-galaxy/

 

Sunday pre-order,as well we got next arks of omen book, Renegades of the Long War, wich contains: Lucius: The Faultless Blade and Lucius: Pride and Fall,Khârn: Eater of Worlds and Sons of the Hydra. 

 

And there is WH horror omnibus: The Oubliette , Sepulturum, The Deacon of Wounds and The Bookkeeper’s Skull.

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by OpossumStrong

[DarkChaplain]

"These stories are all tied together by a singular mysterious thread" re: the Warhammer Horror omnibus. It's hogwash. Valgaast gets namedropped in these stories in one fashion or another, but it's hardly ever relevant to the story - even in Sepulturum, which was supposed to unravel that thread, it's more of an afterthought that explains little to nothing.

 

You can only shout about Valgaast/Mhurghast "coming" and being oh so terrible so much without actually explaining it. And it doesn't help when there's no consistency between the stories as to what the term even describes. It's a castle, a liquor brand, a cult, a world, a what-have-you.... it becomes no more specific than any old name that gets used in a bunch of product brands, location names or the likes.

 

It's still a great omnibus to get, especially since the original short novels were hardback only and thus neither match the format properly nor did they feel well-priced next to the full novels in Warhammer Horror, but WarCom is talking bs again there.

 

And I bloody hate that BL is back to putting limited, never-to-be-seen-again short stories into every fething limited/special edition these days. It's an awful business practice, especially with how every book of theirs is a limited run product in the first place.

Edited January 29, 2023 by DarkChaplain

[theSpirea]

Horror hardbacks, A5 BL hardbacks in general, I'd say are well-priced. I got them all around 12-13$. Horror paperbacks for 9-12$. I gladly pay two bucks more to get hardback over paperback.

What never-to-be-seen-again short story are you talking about? It Bleeds was already released as ebook. It might still be collected later in printed anthology.

[chevalierdulys]

so both anthologies are just compilation of shorter novels? oh well less two novels to buy. But to be honest both Angron novels have beautiful covers. may end up buying both since the Angron should be what? 70€ plus 22€ of hardback may have to purchase something for 12€ so I won't have to pay postages... paying 12€ postages is killing my joy of buying online from them.. 

 

about the new anthologies, so one is four novels in one and the other is 3 novels plus one short story... not going to pay 15€ for lucius pride and fall. I hope it gets released in another anthology.

[Kelborn]

Haha

Just when I asked they update its release.

 

Might try and get either the LE or the regular hardback. The latter is limited as well these days, right?

 

Funny that they manage to release the French paperback but not the German. 

 

Getting both, Angron and the Codex might be difficult...hopefully, I'll get at least one. 

[System Sound]

16 hours ago, DarkChaplain said:

"These stories are all tied together by a singular mysterious thread" re: the Warhammer Horror omnibus. It's hogwash. Valgaast gets namedropped in these stories in one fashion or another, but it's hardly ever relevant to the story - even in Sepulturum, which was supposed to unravel that thread, it's more of an afterthought that explains little to nothing.

 

You can only shout about Valgaast/Mhurghast "coming" and being oh so terrible so much without actually explaining it. And it doesn't help when there's no consistency between the stories as to what the term even describes. It's a castle, a liquor brand, a cult, a world, a what-have-you.... it becomes no more specific than any old name that gets used in a bunch of product brands, location names or the likes.

At least for me, in the first few novels/shorts it felt like Valgasst was some dark secret or a cursed place and it was a nice surprise to see it mentioned. But as time went on and new stuff got published it started to feel like its becoming a necessary inclusion by editorial... Maybe someday we will get some explanation to WHAT it is, but knowing BL and their attention span, I wouldnt count on that.

 

The omnibus is however a pretty good collection. All are a solid read, just Oubliette didnt really feel like horror to me, more of a thriller at best.

[DarkChaplain]

That's exactly how I felt about it, too. As time went on, the easter egg just became extremely irrelevant and inconsequential. It's not Warhammer Horror's Necronomicon, to give a big example of a shared element between authors. It doesn't do anything really to tie these stories together. It's a Wilhelm Scream, a funny little nod, but nothing of substance that'll make you go "ohhhh".

 

On the other side we've got Mhurghast in the AoS Warhammer Horror books, which actually is being built up in a 4 book sequence ("Tales of Mhurghast"), but even here, two books in, I have no idea of what it's going to be. Book one built up the threat, sent a warning, but book two refused to actually tie into it much, beyond 3 or so namedrops by a character from book one who neither clearly acted like he did previously nor actually referenced the earlier misadventure properly. Like book two was written without having read the first, and only going off of editorial cliffnotes.

 

That's sadly the BL experience these days. Authors not doing their due dilligence to maintain cohesion or build on one another's works to deepen the mysteries of the setting. And then you end up with canon and timeline conflicts even in something like the Siege of Terra.

 

Either way, though, I'd highly recommend that omnibus on the stories' own merits. They're short novels, barely over half the usual novel's length, and suffering for it (The Oubliette specifically!), but they all are interesting in one way or another. I did share my bugbears with The Oubliette elsewhere on the board, but it's still been an engaging read - I just wish it had opted for a different twist.

[System Sound]

1 hour ago, DarkChaplain said:

That's exactly how I felt about it, too. As time went on, the easter egg just became extremely irrelevant and inconsequential. It's not Warhammer Horror's Necronomicon, to give a big example of a shared element between authors. It doesn't do anything really to tie these stories together. It's a Wilhelm Scream, a funny little nod, but nothing of substance that'll make you go "ohhhh".

 

 

Wilhelm scream! That sums it up so well.

 

If they really wanted to push valghast and murghast as a connecting tissue, they wouldn't even have to look far on how to do it. The dark coil. Not outright in your face connections, subtle and mysterious.

[chevalierdulys]

17 hours ago, Kelborn said:

Haha

Just when I asked they update its release.

 

Might try and get either the LE or the regular hardback. The latter is limited as well these days, right?

 

Funny that they manage to release the French paperback but not the German. 

 

Getting both, Angron and the Codex might be difficult...hopefully, I'll get at least one. 

Everything unless it's paperback where you can get via bookdepository it's limited. So limited that "regular" hardback have being disappearing on the same date. Sometimes hours after they are posted. (I am Rest of Europe so the total books may be lower than GB or US)

[Ubiquitous1984]

Here is an interesting snippet from the afterword of the new Armageddon LE, heavily implying that Spears II has already been written with the plural for ‘novels’:

As it happens, I wasn't quite done with the Celestial Lions after Blood and Fire. They go on to feature in my Emperor's Spears novels, too. Between you and me, I have a feeling Grimaldus and the Black Templars may end up there as well, before the final day dawns.

Call it a hunch.

Aaron Dembski-Bowden

County Tyrone, Ireland May 2022

Edited January 31, 2023 by Ubiquitous1984

[Kelborn]

Lions, Spears and Grimaldus in one story????

 

Dear Emperor please let it happen...

[Taliesin]

Please release Spear of the Emperor 2 in the next few months BL...

[MarineRaiderII]

Has it been confirmed how many books DA will write to conclude the Siege? First it was going to be 2 but with the art work for 2 released that makes no sense not to have Horus facing the E...so is it going to be 3?

[Sothalor]

1 hour ago, MarineRaiderII said:

Has it been confirmed how many books DA will write to conclude the Siege? First it was going to be 2 but with the art work for 2 released that makes no sense not to have Horus facing the E...so is it going to be 3?

 

It is not confirmed.

 

People are jumping to the conclusion that it'll be at least three because of the art for Volume 2. But...

 

 

Remember this cover? Boy, that scene sure was the pivotal point of that novel, wasn't it? Except it wasn't. It was basically entirely inconsequential.

 

 

How about this one? AKA the scene of the literal last page of the book.

 

 

Or this one? I mean... who are these characters? Do we know? Is this even showing something that happens in that book?

 

My point is, cover art is not necessarily representative of a book's plot and narrative. We have examples aplenty of that just from BL's existing catalogue.

[chevalierdulys]

1 hour ago, MarineRaiderII said:

Has it been confirmed how many books DA will write to conclude the Siege? First it was going to be 2 but with the art work for 2 released that makes no sense not to have Horus facing the E...so is it going to be 3?

They hinted at three yes in a interview right?