New Firstborn Terminators [Rumour]

[lansalt]

I doubt anybody would miss Centurions if they go OOP and are replaced by Aggressor variants.

[Captain Idaho]

Ah I like my Centurions but as new models applied to the range I could understand that. Though count as is fine. 

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

If they're making new ones and dropping the distinction, I think simply saying both go in the same armor and ending it there would be the right call from them. Then you just have new shiny miniatures to have fun with.

 

Terminator Armor is adjusted for the user already, so it would stand to reason that if a Primaris Marine was selected to receive the armor then it would be reworked to fit him.

[Blindhamster]

53 minutes ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said:

You keep sharing this, I assume because there is a terminator there lol. If terminators were that size next to primaris marines, with those proportions, I could get behind it.

47 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

Terminator Armor is adjusted for the user already, so it would stand to reason that if a Primaris Marine was selected to receive the armor then it would be reworked to fit him.

Yeah, I think they’ll go this route honestly. Especially with the rumours of the mechanics distinction going entirely 

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Yeah, I think they’ll go this route honestly. Especially with the rumours of the mechanics distinction going entirely 

There is a the few outliers like Pasanius, he used to wear a bastardised version of Mk7 and Terminator armour due to being an absolute unit, he now wears MkX Tacticus.

 

But the flip side of Pasanius is simple... Ultramarine Techmarines could have made a suit of Mk7 to fit him, but it was rule of cool and it gave an idea that he was massive even by marine standards, if he crosses the rubicon what armour would now fit him? I do love little bits of lore like this.

 

Gravis is simply MkX with more plates, like Phobos is MkX with less.

 

It makes sense that Terminator armour is fitted to the user, Pasanius is about the size of a Primaris.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Brother Captain Arkley

[TheNewman]

6 hours ago, lansalt said:

I doubt anybody would miss Centurions if they go OOP and are replaced by Aggressor variants.

It'd bother the heck out of me, Cents are my favorite models.

[Captain Idaho]

I enjoy mine too.

[phandaal]

Centurions are awesome. Some of their weapons look silly but how can you not like Chonk Xtreme?

[lansalt]

I'm honestly surprised about Centurions having so many fans, they look hideous to me

[Vermintide]

I wouldn't worry, GW likes money. They may retire the kit, but there's no sense wasting a good datasheet when you can release a new upscaled one. I mean what exactly do you think they're going to release when the Primaris range is finished- New Eldar?

 

Placing my bets now. The remaining units that are too iconic to drop but don't have replacements will neither get squatted, nor will they be primarisified; just quietly embiggened to fit in next to the newer models (and make you buy it again). Rhino and Land Raider chassis get updated to match the scale or Repulsor/Impulsor. Box dreads get slightly bigger and more pose-able. Centurions get a little taller and their helmets updated to Mk.X, and so on and so forth. Let's not forget, we have already had precedent for this- Outriders. I've always suspected this to be the case for Terminators in particular, ever since the conspicuous absence of an invuln or deep strike ability on Gravis.

 

In the end it will work out, and everyone will be happy, and GW will make a lot of money.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Well well WELLY Wellington since Gravis has jump packs maybe Cents will get bikes too…

[Maritn]

With classic Terminators in the DA box I guess the new Terminator models being Primaris is getting more and more likely.

[Captain Idaho]

Not sure. GW have been known to sell stuff out of date shortly after in the past.

 

Though I still don't believe they won't be Primaris, just not for that reason really.

 

Any new Terminators kit for Firstborn would sell like hot cakes anyway. A Dark Angels specific kit released now likely won't impact that.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Captain Idaho

[Kallas]

I'm more curious if the rumoured models were just the Deathwing models in the DA/CSM box with Vashtorr and Azrael mistaken as new models.

[Captain Idaho]

Possible. Some folk might not recognise a new scuplt or existing sculpt if it's not in their collection. 

 

But then we come back to the problem... Primaris Terminators would be bigger than Primaris, who are already much bigger than Terminators, therefore new Terminators but massively bigger than Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Chaos Marines and Grey Knights Terminators and likely rules to match size.

 

With a removal of the Primaris keyword across the board, these are Terminators right? So unless they're the size of Centurions to match Primaris size increases, they're new Firstborn? Or paper this Primaris Terminator armour which directly contradicts the background material anyway.

 

It's a real conundrum. A situation GW created of their own making by making Primaris just that little bit too big and not just remaking Firstborn kits in the first place.

[Blindhamster]

59 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

Possible. Some folk might not recognise a new scuplt or existing sculpt if it's not in their collection. 

 

But then we come back to the problem... Primaris Terminators would be bigger than Primaris, who are already much bigger than Terminators, therefore new Terminators but massively bigger than Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Chaos Marines and Grey Knights Terminators and likely rules to match size.

 

With a removal of the Primaris keyword across the board, these are Terminators right? So unless they're the size of Centurions to match Primaris size increases, they're new Firstborn? Or paper this Primaris Terminator armour which directly contradicts the background material anyway.

 

It's a real conundrum. A situation GW created of their own making by making Primaris just that little bit too big and not just remaking Firstborn kits in the first place.

I think you heavily overstate how much bigger they would need to be.

if the head height is the same as primaris, they don’t need to be all that much bulkier than the current ones honestly, the art from the Warhammer tv show that bbf showed is a good indicator imo, and would be plausible as both firstborn and primaris assuming we also assume that firstborn are meant to be almost as large as primaris (don’t look at hh, that line is all over the place for scale too, with characters regularly being larger scale than even primaris and the new models actually being smaller scale than current marines (they’re taller, but even smaller hands and heads)

[lansalt]

I think "primaris terminators" only need to be like Gravis/Agressors with a hood, nothing bigger.

[Blindhamster]

20 minutes ago, lansalt said:

I think "primaris terminators" only need to be like Gravis/Agressors with a hood, nothing bigger.

Exactly, they really wouldn’t be all that much bigger than current terminators, I think they can make current terminators a bit chonkier (legs and arms mostly), slightly better proportions (lower the arms slightly, lengthen the abdomen slightly) and make something that is believable as being a marine (of either kind) inside it. Whilst also not invalidating existing death guard and chaos terminators.

[WrathOfTheLion]

The thing is, if they update terminators, this kit doesn't go away unless they also update the chapter specific ones.

 

I highly doubt whatever new generic kit in the box will build deathwing characters or Deathwing Knights.

[Blindhamster]

No it’s true, but that’s no different from other times terminators have been updated.

[Bloody Legionnaire]

So I guess everyone making the argument that because we have Primaris marines, we’ll never see a new firstborn marine kit, can toss that argument right out the window..

 

 

I’m very excited about this and possibly more excited that we can finally stop seeing people post about firstborn getting removed from the game!

[Blindhamster]

We haven’t actually seen a new kit for these yet, you realise. 
 

I think most people moved past that sentiment a long while ago though, and if anything seems like they’re just going to remove the distinction between the two kinds entirely and it’ll just be different units

[Lemondish]

I personally, and this is the least controversial of opinions, could not care less on whether they are or aren't Firstborn. I do think it would be neat to think that the remaining Firstborn fighters who, for whatever reason, have not crossed the Rubicon (or died and been replaced by raw Primaris) all eventually end up Veterans in TDA. I do think it would be neat for Primaris to find there way there as well. Lorewise I'm not sure I care which way it goes, even though I'm a huge Primaris fan. Ruleswise, I do hope Valrak's rumour is true.

 

But the most important thing to me is that, if this armour is changing visually, it does so with the proper respect the Indomitus pattern deserves, imo.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Lemondish

[Vermintide]

6 hours ago, Lemondish said:

I personally, and this is the least controversial of opinions, could not care less on whether they are or aren't Firstborn.

 

In fairness I've been headcanon-ing that there's no difference the whole time anyway. I am merely willing GW to make it canoncanon.