TrawlingCleaner Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 No Pity! No Remorse! No Fear! Lork, Kastor Krieg and Marshal Reinhard 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I like what I see. Relics bound to vows aswell. zarkkarn and Odd-ad 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Carpenter Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Hmm, slightly in limbo, why can't the leaders attach themselves to the FB crusader squad? And I'm assuming we can use all the fb tanks that are mentioned in the sm index and not here? Otherwise, I'm happy so see that most of the options survived. First feel is not too depressed, but hopeful (even though that is the first step to disappointment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Brother Carpenter said: And I'm assuming we can use all the fb tanks that are mentioned in the sm index and not here? Nothing stopping ya! :) The swap for grav tanks is due to special snowflake multimelta option. Edited June 12, 2023 by Khornestar Brother Carpenter and painting.for.my.sanity 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 MSU Special, Combi, Heavy first born crusaders are back...? That's mad. Something actually useful to go in a Razorback now. On the whole, it looks pretty good, it's a shame that none of the characters pair with Bladeguard. Odd-ad 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) Grimaldus is a versatility buffing beast. Choose one of 3 in command phase: We got advance and charge back! FnP 5+ AP increased by -1 AND grants reroll of melee attacks can lead assault intercessors, infernus, intercessors, primaris crusaders and sword brethren. Primaris Crusaders...5 attacks with chainsword, holy crappola. And can reroll advance and charge rolls. Edited June 12, 2023 by 9x19 Parabellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd-ad Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Interesting that they've tried to separate out the Emperor's Champion and Company Champion CC has re-rolls vs characters and heroic intervention, EC has +1 to wound and melee damage reduction once per phase, as well as a better stat-line Honestly that's alright, reduces redundancy and gives a reason to play both if you want Mike8404 and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Another very confusing selection of design choices. Black Templars seem strong, but why do they have specific Black Templars Primaris vehicles but can take anything else from the main Space Marine Index? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperors Champion22 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Anyone else gonna stick their helbrecht and emperors champion in units of sword brethren to get damage 4 strikes and damage 2 sweeps? Lork and Sea Creature 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Just now, Captain Idaho said: Another very confusing selection of design choices. Black Templars seem strong, but why do they have specific Black Templars Primaris vehicles but can take anything else from the main Space Marine Index? Just because they can take multi meltas :) Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segismundo Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, 9x19 Parabellum said: can lead assault intercessors, infernus, intercessors, crusaders (of any stripe). Firstborn crusaders not. In fact, nobody can be inside fb crusaders. Sea Creature 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Oooooh. Probably could have saved time with a single line "Multi-meltas can only be taken if you have the Black Templars keyword". danodan123, Khornestar, Mmmmm Napalm and 3 others 2 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Segismundo said: Firstborn crusaders not. In fact, nobody can be inside fb crusaders. Yep, you're right, I misread it. Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boosey Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Mostly positive but a few gripes... Am I missing something or can you not attach a Castellan/Lieutenant to a squad that has a Marshall? The Marshall does not have the CAPTAIN or CHAPTER MASTER keywords... Sucks to lose advance and charge (a stratagem that the Gladius Task Force does technically have) Why does the EC not have 'Lone Operative' keyword? He imparts no bonus to a squad he joins as far as I can see SirJyo 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilamandaros Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) So no characters can lead Bladeguard including the Marshal, does that mean we'll have to use the regular Marine characters such as a Primaris Captain to include Bladeguard and just pretend they're a marshal? Bit perturbed by this. Edited June 12, 2023 by Kilamandaros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustican Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Primaris Crusaders also have scout? They must me in a hurry to get somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Confirmed no claws for sword breth as well. Why do we get our own entries for loads of vehicles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilamandaros Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Asked on the BT forum but will ask here also; can we still take a Primaris Captain/Lieutenant etc. to attach to Bladeguard and just pretend they're a Marshal/Castellan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobles57 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kilamandaros said: Asked on the BT forum but will ask here also; can we still take a Primaris Captain/Lieutenant etc. to attach to Bladeguard and just pretend they're a Marshal/Castellan? Dont see why not. The Marshall and Castellan datasheets are just to cover those specific models wargear since they're not listed in the main SM index characters. Kilamandaros and DemonGSides 1 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 30 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said: Oooooh. Probably could have saved time with a single line "Multi-meltas can only be taken if you have the Black Templars keyword". It goes against the ethos of having all of the options on one datasheet. Friends and I were discussing this yesterday about our Marshal and Castellan loadouts, and I bet they would need dedicated datasheets for the same reason. 2 minutes ago, Doobles88 said: Dont see why not. The Marshall and Castellan datasheets are just to cover those specific models wargear since they're not listed in the main SM index characters. I was planning on using the captain datasheet for a Bladeguard build Marshal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Clausel Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 How does scout work with attached characters? The rule says all models must have the rule to be able to do the move. But do leaders gain the rules of the attached unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilamandaros Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Doobles88 said: Dont see why not. The Marshall and Castellan datasheets are just to cover those specific models wargear since they're not listed in the main SM index characters. Yes I think you're right but want to double check - especially as the Bladeguard captain is basically made to have Tannhauser's Bones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Kilamandaros said: Asked on the BT forum but will ask here also; can we still take a Primaris Captain/Lieutenant etc. to attach to Bladeguard and just pretend they're a Marshal/Castellan? Yes, the specific units you can't take are the top of the Index. If you check the armoury/backside of the datacards it tells you which units they "count-as" for the purposes of Bodyguarding. For example, the Firstborn Crusader Squad: Kilamandaros 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) @Sword Brother Adelard All the options would still be on one sheet. Just like in 9th, there would a single datasheet that has limitations on certain pieces of wargear. Actually the exact opposite of there being an option not available on the sheet but you are able to take. Edited June 12, 2023 by Captain Idaho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Helbrechet lost 3 wounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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