new balance data slate update this Thursday

[MegaVolt87]

Without granular points and variable units sizes returning, I don't see how this works. At the moment, pts are at the upper end assuming you take the most OP Loadouts. Points reductions happen, OP Loadouts still better, locking out most others. Mabye if we had unit options that reduce the total cost of a unit we might be getting somewhere. Quick example- tac squad, pick flamer, reduce unit cost by -15 points etc. 

[Wormwoods]

Yeah, me and the Crusade Group discussed this earlier in thr week, and settled on units having a cheap option and a full-cost option. Y'know, you're paying X cost for an Intercessor squad as-is, or X+ for a version of the squad with, I dunno, a thunder hammer, plasma pistol or flamer pistol, and grenade launches. Still not as granular, but giving you the option to take a cheap version of a unit without the special weapons/only the less good stuff.

 

Probably non viable, but it was an idea.

[Captain Idaho]

Do we have an ETA on when our world is going to change today?

[Vassakov]

It's usually between 12pm and 2pm BST that they drop these sorts of things. 

[Doobles57]

56 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

Do we have an ETA on when our world is going to change today?

Well the day's kicked of with MESBG so another hour at least 

 

Don't they know I've got a game tonight and need to plan how to re-cheese my list!?!?!?

 

 

(or more accurately swap two whole units when the points change slightly and the removal of wargear points means I don't have the option to just save 5pts on a unit to get back under the limit)

[Orange Knight]

I am excited about the balance dataslate on behalf of my AdMech.

 

But I will ignore it when it comes to Marines as the next codex is out in a few weeks.

[Nephaston]

App apparaently updated.

[TrawlingCleaner]

Yesssss:

 

I am unbelievably glad this is a change 

[Doobles57]

Just now, TrawlingCleaner said:

Yesssss:

 

I am unbelievably glad this is a change 

Perfect solution and the one I was hoping for. They'd done a bunch of work differentiating anti-personal and anti-tank weaponry and Devastating Wounds ruined all that by turning high damage weapons into anti-everything. Good move.

[Orange Knight]

Desolation Squad down to 200 points for 10 again.

Edit: Oh no... I think they have changed the unit composition

[tzeentch9]

7 minutes ago, TrawlingCleaner said:

Yesssss:

 

I am unbelievably glad this is a change 

That’s a bad change, this will splash onto a lot of stuff, make it overcosted 

[TrawlingCleaner]

Some highlights I've seen:

 

Desos are max 5 per squad

 

DG Contagion  Detachment is massively changed:

Declare Battle Formations step

You can now choose from one of the following:

-1LD and -1 OC

Worsen Save characteristic by 1

Worsen BS and WS by 1

 

Plaguemarines from 20p.p. to 16.

Poxwalkersand Cultists are now both 50 points.

Deathshroud are now 125 from 140

 

Guard Tanks:

battle cannon -15
demolisher -20
eradicator -20
executioner -15
punisher -20
vanquisher-25
baneblade -60
banehammer -40
banesword -35
doomhammer -0
hellhammer -60
shadowsword -0
stormlord -0
stormsword -35

 

Votann pick 4 units and get CP if  they die, quite a few points drops too

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by TrawlingCleaner

[sonsoftaurus]

So…to check understanding the dev wounds are effectively mortals that don’t carry over? So one dev hit regardless of damage can only pulp one thing?

[Kastor Krieg]

8 minutes ago, TrawlingCleaner said:

Yesssss:

 

I am unbelievably glad this is a change 

I'm not sure, what's the effective difference from the mortal wounds you still couldn't save against?

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, tzeentch9 said:

That’s a bad change, this will splash onto a lot of stuff, make it overcosted 

 

Since they're not Mortal Wounds anymore, they can't splash.

Still incentivises using high damage per dice DevWounds weapons against multi-health models tho, just not against Infantry.

 

Also this is an indirect nerf to Broadside Battlesuits, who's FnP against Mortal Wounds is significantly less relevent now.

[Nephaston]

3 minutes ago, TrawlingCleaner said:

DG Contagion is massively changed:

Declare Battle Formations step

You can now choose from one of the following:

-1LD and -1 OC

Worsen Save characteristic by 1

Worsen BS and WS by 1

 

This is a change to their detachment ability, the Contagion itself is unchanged.

[TrawlingCleaner]

1 minute ago, sonsoftaurus said:

So…to check understanding the dev wounds are effectively mortals that don’t carry over? So one dev hit regardless of damage can only pulp one thing?

 

Just now, Kastor Krieg said:

I'm not sure, what's the effective difference from the mortal wounds you still couldn't save against?

 

If you get hit with a Damage 2 Dev Wound weapon on a 1 wound per model unit, the damage doesn't spill over.

Wraithcannons in particular were a big problem because D6+2 Devastating wounds would kill D6+2 1 wound models etc due to MW spill over. Now DevWound weapons can only kill 1 model per shot. They keep their effectiveness vs Tanks but lose their effectiveness vs hordes which is exactly what was needed (IMO)

[Dr_Ruminahui]

It also means models that get FNP versus mortal wounds presumably no longer get that against the unsavable wounds described above - not sure how many models that actually applies to, but I'm pretty sure its a thing some models have.

Edited September 7, 2023 by Dr_Ruminahui

[Indy Techwisp]

Essentially, think about it as a Devastating Wounds weapon casts a Dice Specific "Twist of Fate" when it crits, preventing the Armour save but only for that specific die

[GarvielEisenhorn]

Is there a link to the dataslate yet or are people just referencing the app so far?

[Indy Techwisp]

Also, despite actually being in the target range for win rate all of the TSons units got more expensive.

By a lot.

 

[TrawlingCleaner]

Just now, GarvielEisenhorn said:

Is there a link to the dataslate yet or are people just referencing the app so far?

App so far, they usually drop the full PDF after 1PM GMT

[Vassakov]

This is genuinely enormous. Massive points changes for the factions that were underperforming, rules changes for some of the outliers as well, preemptive adjustments to the A-Tier armies, a soundly deserved crippling of the Aelderi menace and lot of small quality of life changes to tweak some of the grimmer stuff.

 

Honestly... I didn't think they'd go this far. Well done GW, well done.

[Kaiju Soze]

6 minutes ago, Dr_Ruminahui said:

It also means models that get FNP versus mortal wounds presumably no longer get that against the unsavable wounds described above - not sure how models that actually applies to, but I'm pretty sure its a thing some models have.

Custodes come to mind.

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Also, despite actually being in the target range for win rate all of the TSons units got more expensive.

By a lot.

 

 

Actually, the only things that haven't massively gone up in points are  TZAANGORS