new balance data slate update this Thursday

[Nephaston]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Actually, the only things that haven't massively gone up in points are  TZAANGORS

You will build half an AoS army instead of Marines AND YOU WILL LIKE IT. -GW

[Nagashsnee]

I will never get tired of GW obsession with pushing Tzaangors on 1k sons players.  Did they really sell that badly? 

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, Nephaston said:

You will build half an AoS army instead of Marines AND YOU WILL LIKE IT. -GW

 

It's not that they're pushing Tzaangors again, it's that literally everything else in the army went up by like 20 points.

[Lord Marshal]

And the Metawatch article is up.

 

Balance Dataslate.

 

Points.

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Lord Marshal

[Indy Techwisp]

Again, Thousand Sons were within the target range.

Not "barely in right on the line", actually in the range at like 53%

[Doobles57]

8 minutes ago, Kaiju Soze said:

Custodes come to mind.

Yep, theirs is army-wide. Add in points increases and changes to unit sizes (Guardians max out at 5 now not 10, Wardens at 5 not 6) and they should be coming down a peg or two.

Edited September 7, 2023 by Doobles88

[Plaguecaster]

Finally DG have some actual damn character as an army again with a proper detachment rule that offers interesting possibilities 

The points decreases are pretty awesome too

[Kastor Krieg]

Poor Thousand Sons. Shouldn't have been witches, I guess! :v

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, Kastor Krieg said:

Poor Thousand Sons. Shouldn't have been witches, I guess! :v

 

Apparently shouldn't have been performing exactly within the range GW aim to target.

We literally cannot ever be decent in an edition, can we?

[DemonGSides]

4 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Again, Thousand Sons were within the target range.

Not "barely in right on the line", actually in the range at like 53%

 

Well, if you eliminate the boogeyman at the top, something HAS to fill that space.  It sure as :cuss: isn't going to be Death Guard and Votaan, even with these changes, so making sure that Thousand Sons don't just become Aeldari 2.0 is worth exploring right away, instead of waiting.

[TrawlingCleaner]

Dark Eldar Points changes:

Spoiler

Archon 75 (-10)

Beastmaster 105 (-15)

Court of the Archon 85 (-10)

Cronos 50 (0)

Drazar 90 (-15)

Grotesques 105 (0)

Harmonculus 60 (-15)

Hellions 100 (-10)

Incubi 80 (-5)

Kabalites 110 (-10)

Lelith 85 (-20)

Mandrakes 65 (-5)

Raider 90 (0)

Ravager 115 (+20)

Razorwing 170 (0)

Reavers 70 (-5)

Scourges 110 (-10)

Succubus 55 (-15)

Talos 90 (0)

Urien 80 (-25)

Venom 80 (0)

Voidraven 195 (0)

Wracks 60 (-5)

Wyches 90 (-20

 

Ravagers paying for the Ynnari sins and Scourge come up laughing

 

GSC:

 

Spoiler

Biophagus + 10

Clamavus + 10

Locus + 5

Nexos + 10

Primus + 20 

Reductus + 10

Acolytes + 10 for 5

Neophytes + 10 for 10

Aberrants + 20 for 5

Ridgerunner + 10 for 1

Jackals + 10 for 5

PSG -5 for 5

 

Crons

Spoiler

Nerfs:
Hexmarks 80 (+10)
Lychguard are 230 for a full unit (+5ppm)
Reanimator is now 105 (+10)
DDAs are 210pts (+25)
60pt thralls (+20) 
T Ctan is 300 pts (+20) 
LHDs 50 (+5)
Doomstalker 135 (+10)

Buffs:
Warriors 11 (-1ppm)
Immotekh 100 (-5)
Lokhust Lord 80 (-5)
Skorpekh Lord 100 (-15)
TSK 420 (-50)
Szeras at 185 (-35 O_O ) 
Monolith 350 (-35)
Ophydians 100 (-10 for the squad of 3)
Skorpekhs 100 (-10 for the squad of 3)
Vault 375 (-50)

 

Oh boy, I hope everyone is ready for the new age of Necrons 

Edited September 7, 2023 by TrawlingCleaner

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Well, if you eliminate the boogeyman at the top, something HAS to fill that space.  It sure as isn't going to be Death Guard and Votaan, even with these changes, so making sure that Thousand Sons don't just become Aeldari 2.0 is worth exploring right away, instead of waiting.

 

I love being able to play my  Army.

[Kastor Krieg]

Holy Black Templar point cuts! :o

-25 Grimaldus
-10 Helbrecht
-10 EC
-40 PCS!
-50 PSB!!!

:o 

OLD:

NOW:

Edited September 7, 2023 by Kastor Krieg

[Doobles57]

Just checked my Votann list. I don't think I have enough models for a 2k army any more.... The last list I played has come down by 300 points or so.

[Lord Marshal]

5 minutes ago, Doobles88 said:

Just checked my Votann list. I don't think I have enough models for a 2k army any more.... The last list I played has come down by 300 points or so.

 

Votann community: "I hope we get more than points changes. We need more than just being reduced to a horde army again, we need rules tweaks too!"

 

Games Workshop: 

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Lord Marshal

[DemonGSides]

3 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I love being able to play my  Army.

Rubrics only being 10 points more than where Plague Marine started the edition is hardly "Unable to play the army" levels of nerfing, considering literally no rules changes came through on the 1k Sons.  Be glad it was mostly just points, could've gotten the GSC or Knights treatment and got really beat up.

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, DemonGSides said:

Rubrics only being 10 points more than where Plague Marine started the edition is hardly "Unable to play the army" levels of nerfing, considering literally no rules changes came through on the 1k Sons.  Be glad it was mostly just points, could've gotten the GSC or Knights treatment and got really beat up.

 

There's now Giant T'au Battlesuits cheaper than my Standard Infantry.

[Nagashsnee]

Skitarii are back baby! While rad bombardment remains the codex is not far. Points down on allot.  

[Zoatibix]

Why have Titantic units lost the ability to Overwatch? 
 

IMO Devastating Wounds should only ignore Armour Saves, only proper MW should punch through INVs. But I think that’s just a me thing.

[phandaal]

6 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

Votann community: "I hope we get more than points changes. We need more than just being reduced to a horde army again, we need rules tweaks too!"

 

Games Workshop: 

 

 

Poor Echamp still doesn't know how to use his teleport crest unless someone in the squad shows him. 

[TrawlingCleaner]

Looking at the Strats and Core Rules:

 

Artilery cannot fire Overwatch anymore and neither can Knights or Wraithknights (or anything with Titanic)

 

Insane Bravery:

 

Now only once per game and only before you roll the test

 

Free strats:

Can only target Battle Tactic strats so no more multiple captains giving multiple Overwatchs etc

 

These are very big changes

 

Aeldari points changes:

Wayleaper +35

AoK +30

Dark Reapers +5 per 5

Death Jester +20

Eldrad+10

Farseer +15

Fire Prism + 55

Support Weapons + 40

The Yncarne +80

Wraithguard +15 per 5

Wraithknight +140

 

That's some points increases, blimey!

[Redcomet]

140 point WK increase. How can someone be so bad at pointing a model that 140 point increase is needed. 

[Dont-Be-Haten]

My DG's 4 princes can take another unit of zombies, and sit at 1975 points with the point changes. Meaning I can field 3 10 man squads or a brick of 20 and 10. (I sure do miss the days of having the ability to just add a couple zombies)

 

Anyways. This isn't going to make their win rates go up for real, but being able to -1/-1 for the DPs seems better than nothing. Alternatively, -1 OC means the 10" movement on everything but poxwalkers will give you better scoring opportunities. Still 0 reason to take plague marines in competitive play though.

[Monkeychunks]

Just now, Redcomet said:

140 point WK increase. How can someone be so bad at pointing a model that 140 point increase is needed. 

It makes more sense when you remember that it also applies to the sword & shield variant. 

[Kaiju Soze]

Amusingly, due to the points cuts, Chosen now cost more in relation to Legionaries than they used to, but both units are now cheaper.

 

Only a small rise on the Forgefiend is a relief, though the points cuts on a lot of other vehicles make them more tempting.