Full Dark Angel reveal

[Marshall Bretton]

I thought the whole firstborn/primaris issue had been closed and now it's irrelevant with the new sternguard being a clear mix of both "types" and terminators being completely unspecific.

 

Key indicator is that belial  has no mention of "crossing the Rubicon" like they have with previous characters. He's a space marine, that's it and that's all that matters now right?

[Halandaar]

My biggest regret about the Primaris Vs Firstborn situation is that I will have to read pages of pointless circular bickering about it on every single thread on this forum for the rest of time.

[LSM]

3 hours ago, jaxom said:

...I think it [Outriders] might be the last kit needed to replace the core of the Space Marine range. ETB in a separate box was required once Indomitus was replaced by Leviathan. We can’t get new bits for them because ETB doesn’t take bits well. A multipart kit with separate arms and shoulder pads would go a long way...

 

When the new Chaos Knights (for AoS) came out as an individual release, it was their existing ETB models with an upgrade sprue for the command.

 

I think it's the only time I've seen it happen, but...

[Marshal Reinhard]

1 minute ago, Gaius Maximus said:

I thought the whole firstborn/primaris issue had been closed and now it's irrelevant with the new sternguard being a clear mix of both "types" and terminators being completely unspecific.

 

Key indicator is that belial  has no mention of "crossing the Rubicon" like they have with previous characters. He's a space marine, that's it and that's all that matters now right?

Honestly, it's better to just ignore them and move on at this point.

 

Back to the reveals. I didn't feel an overwhelming urge to convert the new Deathwing knight terminators to templars, which would normally be a high priority, what them being terminators with tabards. That Belial gives me pause however. Doesn't look like he has too many DA symbols to remove. Looking at the knights again, makes me wonder if it's not doable with with 3 bodies that have closed tabards, at least. Need to see sprue pictures before i make any decisions.

 

Companions have neat swords, but the arms are all sleeve'd so doesn't seem all that usefull as conversion fodder for my BT. The full robed look is too DA to be used outside of them. Still, there's some rather nice looking conversion bits all around in the kits that i'll want to take a closer look at

[chapter master 454]

As far as I see it, they are doing some weird half-way house measure in appearance but ultimately will be what they wanted in the end.

Lore wise they are squatting the idea of primaris slowly and surely, but the old units are getting the axe one by one with exceptions given to particular cases. We may see updated vanguard veterans, but beyond that I wager we will see tacticals and devastators go the way of the Dodo as GW currently hates on things with options, and takes a grand amount of community effort to get them to capitulate on giving us models with choices to build and use (behold, the inumerable lieutenants they forced with sword and pistol over...and over again).

They even cut corners on the terminator captain, throwing a hissy fit that we wanted to kit our melee beast character for melee and force us to take the standard Storm Bolter and Power Sword (you know, the loadout in all terminator squads we would all kill first because it was worthless compared to the actual threat of power fists?).

 

I digress but we see he some real sweet models. The companions look great, for some reason they give me Swordmaster of Hoeth vibes from fantasy...likely just the poses. The question of terminators is interesting but...I mean...hmm...not a dark angel player (despite chapter background being of them) so not for me but I hope for those who want it to get a box if they try for it. Was personally only considering it since it has so many terminators but...nah these boxes tend to only be worth it for the people who like and play the faction.

Good luck to those on pre-order day and may your F5 key hold strong on the hour!

[Scribe]

1 hour ago, Gaius Maximus said:

Key indicator is that belial  has no mention of "crossing the Rubicon" like they have with previous characters. He's a space marine, that's it and that's all that matters now right?

 

Pretty much its going to be in game terms meaningless within a few editions as they run down the last of the non-primaris kits, and it will be nothing more than a minor lore point going forward.

 

A lot of angst over nothing in the end.

[Interrogator Stobz]

It's not over nothing when it affects your collection of units.

The lack of empathy here is toxic.

We all know FB are going, but the lack of tolerance is just sad.

 

That the new Deathwing, normal Termies, Scouts, Sternguard, Companions etc are getting the 'be both' treatment is great from a lore pov, and great from a new collection pov.

It's not the additions which are the problem, it's the subtractions.

[Brother Lunkhead]

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As you know, this old Primaris vs First Born argument has not born good fruit in the past, so tread very carefully on this issue... In fact, let's just discuss the aesthetics of the models when it comes to that topic... after all, this is just the NRBA and not the place for deep conversation.

 

All posts concerning that troublesome topic will be left as is for now. However, if it degenerates even a smidge, I will disappear every post with even a mention of PvFB and all your work will be for naught... and that will make me very sad

 

Keep it focused and keep it friendly

 

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Edited December 26, 2023 by Brother Lunkhead

[Marshall Bretton]

Sorry, coming back on topic these models are seriously making me consider starting a fallen/risen force, need to see what new lore comes out to understand what is going on to decide if I want this but a bunch of arthurian style questing knights running round taking names is rather appealing

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

I think all the lore to date on the Risen/Redeemed is contained within the Son of the Forest novel and the finals Arks of Omen book. The former built up a number of named Fallen as new companions of the Lion and the latter supposedly killed them all off in his/their first meeting with the Dark Angels proper... but they conveniently died "offscreen" and left no bodies behind.

 

And then these Companions show up. A mystery, to be sure.

[Nephaston]

A risen army will probably be difficult to do outside of really small point values since the companions seem to be in boxes of three/ units of 3-6 and will probably have to accompany a dark angels character which are distinctly not risen.

[ZeroWolf]

16 minutes ago, Gaius Maximus said:

Sorry, coming back on topic these models are seriously making me consider starting a fallen/risen force, need to see what new lore comes out to understand what is going on to decide if I want this but a bunch of arthurian style questing knights running round taking names is rather appealing

Same, luckily my youngest son is doing dark angels, so I have an in there...

[Interrogator Stobz]

Me too.

40k was dead to me due to the not to be mentioned topic; but a bunch of Shady black Companions with Shady black Lion running around with a bunch of shady black TDA dudes in the new scale may drag me back in.

But they won't be taking names...

[MoriyaSchism]

11 minutes ago, Gaius Maximus said:

Sorry, coming back on topic these models are seriously making me consider starting a fallen/risen force, need to see what new lore comes out to understand what is going on to decide if I want this but a bunch of arthurian style questing knights running round taking names is rather appealing

Another good idea would be a kill team of recently rearmed and resupplied Risen that were Renegade Astartes not too long ago. Things like aged armour, repaired gear, freshly applied Imperial symbols and stencils. Taking inspiration from Loyalist Blackshield warbands.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Yep, that's the Shady vibe I was thinking too.

[MoriyaSchism]

2 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

Yep, that's the Shady vibe I was thinking too.

There was a conversion I saw recently on Instagram of a new Indomitus Terminator but with plasticard pteruges hanging off Cataphracti shoulder armour. I think that would be a good look, mixed heresy gear with modern issue. I think the Death Guard Lord of Virulence could be a good base for a Risen Terminator when cleaned up.

[Scribe]

42 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

It's not over nothing when it affects your collection of units.

The lack of empathy here is toxic.

We all know FB are going, but the lack of tolerance is just sad.

 

The removal of the units via rules errata is a different thing all together, I'm just talking about the model line.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Shhh!

 

[Brother Lunkhead]

1 hour ago, Scribe said:

 

The removal of the units via rules errata is a different thing all together, I'm just talking about the model line.

 

A right proper example of a smidge.... Let's all let it go.

 

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[m_r_parker]

What's any of this got to do with those new Dark Angel models???

[jimbo1701]

Going in the direction I expect they will take with all the non-codex compliant chapters. Big upgrade sprue, primarch sized character, handful of updated special characters and a couple of unique units. 

I suspect blood angels will lose the baal predator and furioso sadly as the gladiator and brutalis fill those roles now.

It seems likely for the rest of this edition at least we will end up with somethign like this:

 

1. a handful of ‘old’ units (in this case sammael, black knights, 1/2 company command squads),

2. some that will most likely go to legends (talon and strike master as no models available)

3. the awkward dark talon / nephilim and ls vengeance / darkshroud (clearly older models but no clear reason to update) 

 

Now all of the above could potentially go to legends but that would really gut the data sheets so I doubt it. Most likely 1 and 3 will stay on for now with 2 disappearing. 

[MoriyaSchism]

If they remade Sammael in plastic I'd buy 5 copies of him to have a Bullock pattern jetbike squad for a Heresy or M32 project.

[phandaal]

14 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

If they remade Sammael in plastic I'd buy 5 copies of him to have a Bullock pattern jetbike squad for a Heresy or M32 project.

 

I really want to see upscaled Ravenwing Black Knights. Converted a unit of my own with Outriders a while back, and the mounted knight aesthetic definitely works. Come on, James!

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, jimbo1701 said:

I suspect blood angels will lose the baal predator and furioso sadly as the gladiator and brutalis fill those roles now.

 

The regular Dreadnoughts and Predators remain in the standard SM Codex for now so I am hoping that both those options will remain. at least for this edition.

[Mike8404]

11 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

GW could have pulled the bandaid off a lot sooner, but the vitriolic reactions from a very vocal minority probably delayed the process. 

 

Going back to the companions, it only takes a glance to see that they are indeed Primaris. They have a lot in common with Bladeguard and Sword Brethren, and are in the same scale.

 

I am surprised they have so much helmet variation, as the bulk of the armour is pretty uniform, albeit decorated, MK X. For some this will be great, I'm sure. I think they look best with their hoods up over an exposed face as they remind me a lot of the Dark Angel veterans.

GW did the same thing with Sword Bros.  They have a ton of helmet options that match the options Companions have