Necronaut Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 15 minutes ago, Mojake said: Is that a tentacle in your armour or are you just happy to see me? *visible relief* It wasn't that leg! Mojake and Mazer Rackham 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6165994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 51 minutes ago, Necronaut said: It wasn't that leg! Don't make me say it again. You know what it is. You know. Necronaut 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 7 hours ago, Necronaut said: @Mazer Rackham did someone discharge their boltgun during our decidedly clandestine little raid? Also placeholder updated: Yes, I had Varne shoot some of the Xenos corpses Necronaut and Mazer Rackham 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabiusV4lcoran Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 15 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said: Don't make me say it again. You know what it is. You know. "Don't yuck my yum"? Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FabiusV4lcoran said: "Don't yuck my yum"? The first time I heard this, it came out of my Second EX-wife's mouth. My Third Ex-wife just cheated on me with an insurance salesman....he said he could underwire her assets. Edited April 12 by Mazer Rackham FabiusV4lcoran, Lysimachus, BadgersinHills and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Post edited: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383296-bc-the-blackest-heart-part-ii-ic/page/64/#findComment-6166010 Mazer Rackham and BadgersinHills 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) Kraggan Saving his XP to purchase Tech Use - Veteran. PS @Lysimachus - Did Eska bite Hagga? Edited April 12 by Machine God Blac Blood Mazer Rackham, Lysimachus and BadgersinHills 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 57 minutes ago, Machine God said: PS @Lysimachus - Did Eska bite Hagga? Go fish! BadgersinHills, Machine God and Mazer Rackham 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) Question about the last GM direction, Hagga has already asked a question, should I have rolled a test of any kind along with that question? I'm not sure which, to be fair, but if I had to pick I guess Hagga is generally an Intimidating sort of bloke? Edit: just in case, I've edited a roll into my previous post. Edited April 13 by Lysimachus Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 I didn't think there was any need for an immediate roll, as the ball had just been thrown, but Players should commit as they prefer/see fit, and use the success or failures to inform narrative. Lysimachus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) Fair enough, please consider that roll as coming after your instruction then? Let's get on with this (whatever it is! ) Edit: Ive moved the roll into a new post, I'll add some extra fluff a bit later, but you can assume he looms in a vaguely threatening manner! Edited April 13 by Lysimachus Machine God 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 “Well, Magos,” he asked softly when he and the Lamenter returned to the Bridge, “why would you do such a thing when you know we are seeking to avoid calling the Imperium's eye down upon us?” @Mazer Rackham - Can Hagga use Intimidate against Kraggan if he is speaking softly? I can understand it's use if he is shouting or using commands, but Kraggan is not afraid of Hagga due to Purity of Aggression? Perhaps a ruling or a modifier? Mazer Rackham and Necronaut 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Have you really never heard a bad guy speaking softly but still being really damn scary? You're usually good with the film references, bud? Machine God, Iron Father Ferrum, Necronaut and 1 other 2 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lysimachus said: Have you really never heard a bad guy speaking softly but still being really damn scary? You're usually good with the film references, bud? Touche. Well Hagga certainly wins on the numbers. I have the reply already worked out and will post about lunchtime. Kraggan will be using Command as its the only Interaction Skill that he has. I hope that you will forgive any artistic license. Edited April 13 by Machine God Artistic Licence Necronaut, Mazer Rackham and Lysimachus 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Machine God said: @Mazer Rackham - Can Hagga use Intimidate against Kraggan if he is speaking softly? I can understand it's use if he is shouting or using commands, but Kraggan is not afraid of Hagga due to Purity of Aggression? Perhaps a ruling or a modifier? @Machine God and @Lysimachus: Purity Of Aggression has no modifier to Willpower that I can determine, it just means you are a Very Angry ManTM. If you have any talents like Jaded, then obviously they could be used. A ruling I can make: Whilst Enemy does only apply to Fellowship Interactions, I think it should stand here, as two people growling/glowering/grunting at each other would affect Disposition regardless of stat. Since Enemy can be used to complicate any interaction: BC Core, 'Enemy' Talent, P.123: The opposite of Peer; the character is particularly despised and possibly hunted by a specific social group or organisation. The character suffers an additional –10 penalty to Fellowship Tests when dealing with this group and the GM may use them to complicate his life from time to time. This is one of those times. The -10 for Enemy stands for the purposes and duration of this interaction. You're both squaring up to each other, there is no way that lingering animosity would not rear it's ugly head, and at least one party is suspicious in Disposition (which usually is more for NPC's). Interactions are not binary, like pulling a trigger. Remember failure does not entirely result in backing down - if the Interaction is a spectacular loss on one side or the other, it could lead to blows, but caving in does not mean the answer has to be true, and then the tables are turned. Then, does the answer satisfy? If the Scrutiny Test is failed, then it does, even if temporarily. A Deceive Roll is just that, and should not be taken as metagame admission of guilt, besides, it could be a lie about something else. Until a character busts a lie, it is not a lie. Unless you've got Talents, Traits or Wargear that can offset or boost you, the only recourse you may have to level the exchange is the expenditure of Infamy Points to add DoS to your roll on a successful test. That's as much as I can advise, and what is within the rules. I hope this is fair and reasonable to both Players. Mojake, Iron Father Ferrum, Lysimachus and 2 others 3 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) Sounds reasonable to me. I'm not 100% sure what that means with regard to the roll Hagga made... Str71 +10(Trophy Rack) +10(Pity the Weak) +10(higher Str, pg101) = 101.That's all clear and fine. I'm still not sure on the mod for both characters being Khorne, does that make Intimidate more or less likely? It is a Khornate Skill, so +/-10? Or +/-0, no mod at all, as they are both Khornate? And Enemy (if I'm understanding the above correctly) is -10, right? So, at very worst it's target 81, roll 54 = 3 +2 (UnnStr+4) = 5DoS Maybe 6DoS if both being Khornate Alignment isn't altering anything? I'm also assuming that any roll to Deceive (or whatever) is going to be harder if you are intimidated...? Edited April 13 by Lysimachus Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Lysimachus said: Sounds reasonable to me. I'm not 100% sure what that means with regard to the roll Hagga made... Str71 +10(Trophy Rack) +10(Pity the Weak) +10(higher Str, pg101) = 101.That's all clear and fine. Right, so this all works because it applies to Intimidate Tests. If only applies to Enemies, then it still works here because the other Player has Enemy (Everyone) which includes you. 27 minutes ago, Lysimachus said: I'm still not sure on the mod for both being Khorne, does that make Intimidate more or less likely? It is a Khornate Skill, so +/-10? Or +/-0, no mod at all? There's no modifier for both being Khorne. Usually I'd allow a True Alignment bonus, but that doesn't work here because angry men are angry at each other, and angry men are angry for the sake of being angry. Enemy (Everyone) is also at play here in an RP license for use in mechanics. 27 minutes ago, Lysimachus said: And Enemy (if I'm understanding the above correctly) is -10, right? Yes. 27 minutes ago, Lysimachus said: So, at very worst it's target 81, roll 54 = 3 +2 (UnnStr+4) = 5DoS Maybe 6DoS if Alignment isn't altering anything? Correct, Alignment isn't. 27 minutes ago, Lysimachus said: I'm also assuming that any roll to Deceive (or whatever) is going to be harder if you are intimidated...? Disposition offsets to DoS, yes. So how angry/suspicious you are forces the opposing Deceive test to take a hit. The rules for Disposition can be found on P.276, table 8-2. Now, again, this normally applies to NPC's but this table is how I do inter-party disputes as well, because the results are visible and propose an outcome that is mechanical to allow the game and character to progress (ie resolve - at least for the time being). RP'ing it is all well and good, but is doesn't solve everything. To me the RP comes after the numbers. In this case, Since Hagga scores something like 5 DoS, he's so worked up that Opposing the roll would be at -30, because Hagga is not ready to listen to reason (or potential fibs). Maximum Disposition modifiers run from -30 to +30 and can be found on the same table. For someone likes Crux'as this would be little impediment, because he'd just silver-tongue past you. Other folks are not so lucky, but this is what happens when two sledgehammers collide: Sparks. For this instance, we use these rules. Does this make any sense to everyone? Edited April 13 by Mazer Rackham Lysimachus and Machine God 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Absolutely, thanks GM! Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) Sorry @Machine God I didn't realise you were still editing your post. I've altered my last post to reply. Are you going to add any rolls as per GM instruction, I'm not sure exactly where to go with my reply without them? Edit: sorry, roll was obvs still being edited in, see it now Edited April 13 by Lysimachus Mazer Rackham and Machine God 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Post edited: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383296-bc-the-blackest-heart-part-ii-ic/page/64/#findComment-6166071 Mazer Rackham and Lysimachus 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, Lysimachus said: Sorry @Machine God I didn't realise you were still editing your post. I've altered my last post to reply. Are you going to add any rolls as per GM instruction, I'm not sure exactly where to go with my reply without them? @Lysimachus - Thank you for that. I'm posting on my phone so I have to post and re-edit. Mazer Rackham and Lysimachus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 No worries... I think I maybe need to add a WP roll to my last post, but I'm not sure whether the Disposition stuff Mazer mentioned above for the succesful Intimidation (I'm assuming you weren't bothering to roll against it?) is a negative mod to Kraggan's Command roll, or maybe a positive mod to Hagga's WP test to ignore/refuse it? I'll just pause a mo and let him clear it up. Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 ( @Machine God NB - Re-read all the IC Posts) Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 *munches on popcorn* wait. He doesn't even know my name? Boooooo! Necronaut, Mazer Rackham and Lysimachus 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 5 minutes ago, Iron Father Ferrum said: *munches on popcorn* wait. He doesn't even know my name? Boooooo! And it looks like he's just sent a recording of your voice for the Imperial authorities to listen to... (I'm not clear what the thinking was, but I'm not 100% sure that particular solution is actually helping people to trust you more, MG? ) Iron Father Ferrum, Mazer Rackham and Necronaut 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/128/#findComment-6166094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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