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[irlLordy]

45 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Where does it say the Legends rules shouldn't be incorporated into the official list building app, and why shouldn't they?

 

Legends units are available in the AoS app, seems reasonable to expect that they should also be available in the 40k app.

[Orange Knight]

1 hour ago, mecanojavi99 said:

While I agree with most of your arguments, at least to me the biggest offender with how GS handled the whole situation is the lack of a clear message.

 

Had they said from the start "Firstborn stuff will be phased out until everything is Primaris" there would have been a lot of rumbling still but at least people would have known for years what would happen and have time to come to terms with it.

 

I think this was pretty obvious. Maybe not initially, but certainly has been the case over the last 5 years. With every new codex/edition we've seen old units get retired and replaced by entirely new designs, or updated versions of what came before.

 

Did anyone actually think the baby Dreadnought will survive? 

 

Once the 11th edition Intercessors were revealed, I knew without question that Tacticals will be moved to Legends.

 

I do also think that GW made this transition extra painful by dragging it out over 10 years, but perhaps a sudden replacement was never possible as the Marine range was so massive. It took the better part of a decade to get everything needed to be released. 

[Evil Eye]

Incredibly lame if they're really killing off the old tanks. I'd better get myself a Vindicator and Whirlwind whilst I still can- I don't personally care much for the HH Vindicator, though at the very least the HH Whirlwind looks very nice. Centurions going the way of the dodo is hardly sad (they were terrible then and they're terrible now). As for flyers, speaking as a big fan of wingy thingies (a wingnut if you will) whilst I'll be sad to see the back of some of the models, aircraft just do not work at 28mm scale. The closest they've EVER come to working was the 3.5/4th edition era where the model was on the board for precisely one turn as more of a "marker" for a strafing run than an actual gaming piece per se.

 

Re: Legends, I'd be OK with Legends being a thing if they were handled more like an actual part of the game with proper support rather than the 40K equivalent of a "care" home where the elderly are sent to die without inconveniencing people. If Legends were treated as a full-on expansion ala the good old days of Imperial Armour or Chapter Approved (the early 2000s ones, not the "Whoops! The points costs in your Codex are now invalid!" ones of 8th and 9th) where the idea was to increase the options available to the player by adding older models and wargear options to armies, with it made extremely clear that the contents of the book are just as valid as those printed in the base Codices, that'd honestly be great. Unfortunately they're instead a dumping ground for models GW doesn't want you to use, with poorly-written rules that are never updated to work with the rest of the ruleset* and eventually are removed outright.

 

Having additional compendiums of rules for extra options or units to avoid quadrupling the size of the base books makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, that's not what GW actually did.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

Did anyone actually think the baby Dreadnought will survive? 

 

There is no such thing as a "baby Dreadnought". There's a "morbidly obese Dreadnought" called the Redemptor, however!

 

*As mentioned before, I honestly find the "living ruleset" a terrible idea, as it destroys any kind of longevity for army plans and renders the printed books obsolete. And for those of us who like books and don't want everything tied into some obnoxious app-driven Internet of Things ecosystem that will inevitably stop working, be hacked or just flat-out suck, "JuSt MaKe ThE rUlEs AlL dIgItAl!!!" is NOT a good alternative.

Edited April 27 by Evil Eye

[Zoatibix]

I also think (baseless speculation incoming) that the way non-aircraft fly rules work got nerfed because Marines suddenly got a bunch of floating boxes.

 

 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

2 hours ago, mecanojavi99 said:

I'm a firm advocate that CSM and the MonoGod legions should move away from most of their motor pool being "loyalist vehicle with spikes" and instead have bespoke vehicles for each of them, so I'm hoping that's something good that will come from this.

 

They can call them whatever they want, but there still should be obvious kits for "Angry Rhino," "Aroused Rhino," "Rotting Rhino," "Intricately-Planned Rhino," and "Committed-to-Being-Uncommitted Rhino."

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

1 hour ago, mecanojavi99 said:

Had they said from the start "Firstborn stuff will be phased out until everything is Primaris" there would have been a lot of rumbling still but at least people would have known for years what would happen and have time to come to terms with it.

 

...and they also would have bought a lot fewer Firstborn kits between Spring 2017 and now. Some of them probably would have just ragequit or been a lot louder in their opposition to Primaris.

But you see, if you turn up the heat on the boiling frog SLOWLY...

[nodnol88]

Going to be unpopular, but the lineup needs pruning and the scale of the Rhino-based tanks needs an update, so this makes sense. As does the other rumors of what’s being trimmed. Upscaled Rhinos and updated Land Raiders are surely on the cards soon if they’re staying around for now. 
 

Infantry wise it just needs to happen and they need to do two things: 1) Give lots of armour options in future kits and 2) Add more variety into existing kits. 
 

These new Heavy Bolter Gravis that’s coming…the multi-part should be Eradicators with Melta, or Heavy Bolter, or Neo-Vulkite (majorly under-developed as a weapon type) etc. 

 

They need to seriously streamline what kits they sell but at the same time improve the build options inside said kits. Trimming the last of the First Born needed to happen sooner IMO.

 

Legends needs better support in their App though, and more tournaments need to support their inclusion. 

[Rhavien]

2 hours ago, mecanojavi99 said:

GWs stocks are currently trough the roof and have been getting higher for years now, don't confuse personal distaste for something with it being unpopular, from a purely economic POW, Primaris were a resounding success.

Be assured, that I do not. I don't even have a distaste against anything primaris. However, they are going to alienate their loyal costumers, which will ultimately mean lower sales. We are talking about a huge chunk of classic space marines PLUS some recent kits which should ring your alarm bells. 

 

[jaxom]

3 minutes ago, Rhavien said:

However, they are going to alienate their loyal costumers, which will ultimately mean lower sales.

I assume they’re using (what I again assume) was the success of the Stormcast relaunch to guide decision making about removing “modern” kits; if the rumors are true.

 

More bleakly, I think people who buy from corporations are not the true customers. I think the true customers are the shareholders. I think buyers are the thing from which a resource is extracted.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

If the storm raven is discontinued that just means we are one step closer to having a plastic fire raptor for Heresy. 
I am still operating under the assumption that all of these things will basically reappear, rebranded for Age  of Darkness.

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

I do also think that GW made this transition extra painful by dragging it out over 10 years, but perhaps a sudden replacement was never possible as the Marine range was so massive. It took the better part of a decade to get everything needed to be released. 

 

The marine range was always far to large to replace in one go, or even one edition. Plus they knew that people would never have rebought their entire armies wholesale. So the first few waves of Primaris introduced new units and niches that had not really existed before. They also had the USP of having 2 wounds while most Marines still only had 1. This got people sufficiently invested in the new line that by 10th edition, they could start doing wholesale replacements. Thus they managed to get most players to replace their existing armies by installments. 

[HeadlessCross]

3 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Where does it say the Legends rules shouldn't be incorporated into the official list building app, and why shouldn't they?

Why shouldn't they? Because it's a place they throw rules that they don't plan to pay attention to. 

 

Like, it's not some nefarious reason. It's where models go to die. 

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Rhavien said:

Be assured, that I do not. I don't even have a distaste against anything primaris. However, they are going to alienate their loyal costumers, which will ultimately mean lower sales. We are talking about a huge chunk of classic space marines PLUS some recent kits which should ring your alarm bells. 

 

To be honest unless they do nothing, they'll alienate someone. I don't think the long term gamers with full armies are the ones they're worried about upsetting.

 

People are upset that models in their current army are being removed. A.k.a. they bought their stuf already, GW already got their cash.

 

It's the younger meta chasing group who came in post 7th who will buy in the most and be the less upset.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

It’s unreasonable to assume this day would never come. They were going to discontinue firstborn scale eventually. Im a little sad for the Rhino chassis vehicles. They should replace them not legend them. Not sure if the land raider actually needs an update. It doesn’t seem too out of place with the current scale. Saddest most of all for my wallet for having to replace those vehicles for the new scale if I want to use them in a tournament. I agree that legends should be supported on the app.

[Dark Shepherd]

If we get a new Ven Dread kit IMO thats a good sign for getting Predators or Vindicators back, Whirlwind less so maybe as there seems to be a drift towards marines being more up close and personal, and in gen away from indirect fire

 

Can someone do the math please on how big a standard board would be in real life terms? Jetfighters always seemed out of scale to me

[Xirix]

If true, these rumours just make me sad. :(

[ZeroWolf]

25 minutes ago, Wolf Guard Dan said:

It’s unreasonable to assume this day would never come. They were going to discontinue firstborn scale eventually. Im a little sad for the Rhino chassis vehicles. They should replace them not legend them. Not sure if the land raider actually needs an update. It doesn’t seem too out of place with the current scale. Saddest most of all for my wallet for having to replace those vehicles for the new scale if I want to use them in a tournament. I agree that legends should be supported on the app.

They will replace them but we may be waiting a couple of years (again, assuming everything here is true)

[Orange Knight]

6 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

As a concept it already does what GW wants. What YOU want as a concept was never the idea. 

 

Just seen this. I'm not sure why you're fighting against my suggestion?

 

Consider that Legends rules for Age of Sigmar armies are supported in the AoS app. It's also worth noting that a lot of things are trialed in AoS before they make their way over to 40k.

 

So again, why are you so offended by the suggestion that official Legends rules should be supported in the official app?

[Karhedron]

3 hours ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

...and they also would have bought a lot fewer Firstborn kits between Spring 2017 and now.

 

That was 9 years ago. I have bought a lot of Firstborn stuff in that time but I am not resentful. I had fun painting them and running them for years. I will be sad to see them shuffled off to the retirement home of Legends but I have spent more money on things that have lasted far less time so I am sanguine about the future. 

[ThaneOfTas]

4 hours ago, TempestBlade said:

So this will get a lot of hate but just stick with me and throw your rocks at me at the end. 
 

I’m glad the firstborn stuff is going away. They should have done it earlier. <ducks behind cover>
 

<slowly comes out of cover>

Now I know that is a hot take that a lot of people won’t agree with but I think getting rid of the firstborn stuff will help the space marine range. First off, most people alway complain about how much bloat there is in space marines. Too many units and too many datasheets. This will help both of the cases. Cut a good 5-10 datasheets out and unify the range. Which brings me to point two:

 

This will allow space marines and chaos space marines to be separate identities. Space marines will be the new Primaris stuff and CSM will be the old firstborn stuff (plus demons). I hear a lot of the time that CSM is just SM with spikes. This will allow them more chance to give both ranges their own identities. 
I realize that people will be mad that their models that have loved for a long time are going away and I do feel for them for that but this happens in all games. I think of this way: when StarCraft 2 came out I wasn’t mad that I bought StarCraft 1 and spend way too many hours in it. I wasn’t mad that the company made another game and signaled that they would stop updating the old game. I enjoyed my time with SC 1. Just my 2 cents. 

Yeah neither of those "improvements" are worth it in the slightest, or even really matter to me. If GW gave a about data sheet bloat they'd go back to wargear lists and options rather than having a separate sheet with its own rule for each Loadout. Fixing that would solve the bloat, culling the last few firstborn kits does extremely little to reduce the range in comparison.

 

Also what exactly is the benefit in "unifying the range"?

 

Not sure that CSM losing their motor pool and having to wait until GW remembers that they exist is going to go down well with CSM and Cult Legion players. Also, their vehicles should look like twisted reflections of the mainline marine vehicles, that's the point of the faction. Sure those changes could and should be greater than a couple of spikes, but chaos war bands most reliable sources of resupply is whatever that they can steal from loyalists, a lot of their gear should look the same!

 

Also, how much money did you spend on Starcraft 1? And did you consider StarCraft 2 to be a worthy replacement? 

 

 

[MoriyaSchism]

5 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

Yeah neither of those "improvements" are worth it in the slightest, or even really matter to me. If GW gave a about data sheet bloat they'd go back to wargear lists and options rather than having a separate sheet with its own rule for each Loadout. Fixing that would solve the bloat, culling the last few firstborn kits does extremely little to reduce the range in comparison.

I made a post about this in the Astartes forum a few days back with some radical suggestions in it. If you let go of Gravis or roll Gravis units into a new Devastators kit you could probably reduce the infantry roster to just 10 datasheets. 

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I've kind of expected this to happen since we started hearing rumors about the scouring being supported. They just don't want people to be able to mix units from the different ranges to a silly degree (probably to make the bean counters happy). If they do make a scouring system which feels inevitable, then tacticals, devs, and the various tanks IMO would be the backbone of it, and they don't want people to have a two-system force.

 

Granted that may be for the best, I think a lot of players that are really going to miss those units also don't like the direction game has taken, and would probably be open to something that feels more like 3rd-5th. 

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Just seen this. I'm not sure why you're fighting against my suggestion?

 

Consider that Legends rules for Age of Sigmar armies are supported in the AoS app. It's also worth noting that a lot of things are trialed in AoS before they make their way over to 40k.

 

So again, why are you so offended by the suggestion that official Legends rules should be supported in the official app?

Because Legends as a concept shouldn't exist to begin with. 

[Emperor Ming]

Will anyone miss some of the silly units

 

Centurions and atv were just really really out of place/badly designed etc etc

 

Its a shame they will exist some way in legends 

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

Im more surprised people are surprised that firstborn are disappearing. There were already jokes back in 9th that went along the lines of "can't wait till 11th and 12th where its all just astartes again" 
I'm more shocked at the primaris stuff getting sent to legends 

Anywho can't wait to see all these legends firstborn units come back when the scouring gets fleshed out