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[NovemberIX]

12 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Will anyone miss some of the silly units

 

Centurions and atv were just really really out of place/badly designed etc etc

 

Its a shame they will exist some way in legends 

 

I rather like centurions, but I know I'm in a minority, I think if you swap the head for one from a ven dread kit it looks a lot better. Same with the Storm Raven, it was a little goofy, but it had a charm of it's own.

[ThaneOfTas]

1 minute ago, Mechanicus Tech-Support said:

Im more surprised people are surprised that firstborn are disappearing

Who's surprised? disappointed =/= surprised.

[Silvereyes]

One person who will be devastated is 40K Youtuber Paul is bad at stuff. He's done a bunch of tournaments with 18 Centurions in his list. And he just released a video where he took 36 Centurions and 1 Ancient to a tournament. 

[Osteoclast]

2 hours ago, Silvereyes said:

One person who will be devastated is 40K Youtuber Paul is bad at stuff. He's done a bunch of tournaments with 18 Centurions in his list. And he just released a video where he took 36 Centurions and 1 Ancient to a tournament. 

My 15 Centurions are gonna be sad as well. Hopefully we get Primaris Centurions with even more gloriously chonky armor. 

[Antarius]

On the one hand, I will be somewhat sad to see Rhinos etc go. (as in, I'm not going to ever stop running Rhino chassis tanks, box dreads etc. no matter their official status- to me, they are what Space Marines are; I've never bought a Primaris vehicle and I never will. Not because of "hatred" or anything silly like that, it's just a product that I have zero interest in).

 

OTOH, it's been nine years. Things change and many, many products in this world aren't kept around for the amount of time that even the newer firstborn kits have had (whether we're talking miniatures, games or any other type of product). Of course, I feel there should be support for these kits, but I also think it is fundamentally an unrealistic expectation to feel like we're entitled to everything sticking around forever. That's just not how the world we live in works.

However, if, like me, you're of the opinion that Space Marines have a fundamental identity (both lore- and looks-wise) that you're not interested in moving on from, remember that you can just not do that. Even if you can never, ever get anything but a pickup game, it's not like proxying and counts-as ïs not an option. 

 

I also feel like it should be said that yes, people get annoyed when things change, but before Primaris we had a lot of people complaining that things were getting stagnant in both the lore and the model range. You can argue that it was a "monkey's paw" kinda thing and this is not what people really wanted, but realistically speaking, it's simply not possible to please every customer group at the same time - and in the world we live in, new product will always trump everything else, so they pick the option they think will sell the most new stuff.
Does it suck? Yeah, it kinda does, but it is a business to them and a hobby to us and expecting different is merely the second step on the road to disappointment.

Finally, if you love firstborn, I sincerely hope you have what you need at this point, because it's not like there hasn't been (and still are) any opportunities to buy this stuff. That's not a dig at anyone who prefers the firstborn aesthetic either; I am firmly in the "we don't talk about Primaris" camp myself and I'm never going to start pretending hover tanks are actually as cool as Rhinos.

[DeadFingers]

48 minutes ago, Antarius said:

On the one hand, I will be somewhat sad to see Rhinos etc go.

But that's one of the couple things rumoured to be staying and getting an update isn't it? Rhino and Land Raider?

Edited April 28 by DeadFingers

[Antarius]

3 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

But that's one of the couple things rumoured to be staying and getting an update isn't it? Rhino and Land Raider?

Yeah, I was just thinking of the "Rhino chassis tanks" in general - that could probably have been clearer 
If I understand it correctly some of those are going away.

[MoriyaSchism]

1 hour ago, Antarius said:

However, if, like me, you're of the opinion that Space Marines have a fundamental identity (both lore- and looks-wise) that you're not interested in moving on from, remember that you can just not do that. Even if you can never, ever get anything but a pickup game, it's not like proxying and counts-as ïs not an option. 

 

I also feel like it should be said that yes, people get annoyed when things change, but before Primaris we had a lot of people complaining that things were getting stagnant in both the lore and the model range. You can argue that it was a "monkey's paw" kinda thing and this is not what people really wanted, but realistically speaking, it's simply not possible to please every customer group at the same time - and in the world we live in, new product will always trump everything else, so they pick the option they think will sell the most new stuff.
Does it suck? Yeah, it kinda does, but it is a business to them and a hobby to us and expecting different is merely the second step on the road to disappointment.

Finally, if you love firstborn, I sincerely hope you have what you need at this point, because it's not like there hasn't been (and still are) any opportunities to buy this stuff. That's not a dig at anyone who prefers the firstborn aesthetic either; I am firmly in the "we don't talk about Primaris" camp myself and I'm never going to start pretending hover tanks are actually as cool as Rhinos.

I never felt like the model range felt stagnant in any way other than feeling the desire for a larger scale. In the end I got everything I asked for and everything I never wanted to happen with Primaris. Same thing with Heresy 2.0 beakies, when I saw the leaks I was hyped because I believed they were the size of Chaos Space Marines that just came out. Only to find out on release that the Heresy has a completely new scale for Marine infantry and they made it almost incompatible with the newly released 40K stuff without serious modification (apart from backpacks) and even older bits in some instances, but for some reason the starter Praetors were the size of Primaris Marines. What I wanted out of Space Marines at that point was plastic versions of all the FW stuff and maybe more Mark VIII representation in a new Tactical Squad. I guess the Mark VIII dream became a real nightmare with every single Space Marine having a gorget for the past 10 years. 

 

The hover tanks simply don't appeal to me unless it's like a Repulsor with a third party enclosed body kit and turret slapped on it, even then the sponsons annoy me because they seem like simplified not for the sake of actual art design but as a real life manufacturing shortcut. Ultimately only a fraction of FW stuff went plastic and we lost more in general than just Space Marine stuff. I deeply regret not buying the FW Hive Tyrant as an example unrelated to Space Marines. 
 

Edited April 28 by MoriyaSchism

[Antarius]

22 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I never felt like the model range felt stagnant

Neither did I, but it was a thing people mentioned. Like the "need" to move the timeline forward; it was never my thing, but lots of people clearly wanted it (and look how that turned out...).

That being said, I do think all the newer sculpts have clearly superior proportions to the older marine kits. I'm just not particularly interested in the designs themselves (although I do enjoy converting them).

[Orange Knight]

7 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Because Legends as a concept shouldn't exist to begin with. 

 

Ok, but Legends do exist. And because they exist, I want them to be handled to the same standard as they are in AoS.

[Ulfast]

I love the rhino, predator and the other kits but I (as a long time player) bought mine for over 15 years ago. I´m ok with GW that they want to replace them with new so I and other long timers buy new stuff. That´s what keeping the company and the game floating. And in how many other hobbies can you use one thing for over 15 years? Not fotball, not golf, not in car etc. So I, of course under stand that peoplethat has painted and bought new models just for a year or two ago feels angry, for me it´s ok. I´m looking forward to new units that will replace them as the latest models GW made has been on fire and looks very good (like the deflier).

 

And legends exits, I would say that 99% of all my games is with friends and they would have no problem if I used legend units. The few time I go to a tournament, its ok to use other units. Usually the legend units are not so good anywayso I want to use them in tournaments.

 

The one thing that worries me most, as I play a Thousand sons army, is that all chaos armies will have such fewer units if they lose them but we don´t know that yet. We have to wait and see. 

[ZeroWolf]

Chaos vehicles are the question mark here. On one hand, I can see GW not touching them yet because of production timing, and them having to wait even longer to get the new stuff (not that it will stop dedicated hobbyists in the mean time) but on the other, I can definitely see them doing a rug pull.

 

Hopefully we have some chaos rumours soon to shed light on this (other than the perpetual chaos biker talk)

[Wispy]

9 hours ago, Jorin Helm-splitter said:

They just don't want people to be able to mix units from the different ranges to a silly degree (probably to make the bean counters happy).

running first born model kids as count-as Primaris Marines is ridiculously easy. Like, intercessors are just marines with bolters at the end of the day (i have a buddy who uses MKVI as tacticus and MKIII to count as gravis).

 

GW just can't/don't want to support a billion data sheets. that's all there is to it. 

 

 

Edited April 28 by Wispy

[Antarius]

17 minutes ago, Wispy said:

GW just can't/don't want to support a billion data sheets. that's all there is to it. 

That and shelf space is a big part of it for sure. Plus of course the need to keep pumping out stuff at a frankly insane rate, but I think people also really underestimate the "bookkeeping/maintenance" and the storage issues.

I guess there's also something to be said for it being easier to balance, so that should be a positive for people who are heavily into that.

[Rowland]

Hello, I’m in my late fifties and just starting (but deep diving) 40k.  My first kit was the Tyranid v Ultramarines starter box set.  I decided on painting the Space marines as blood Angels.  I expanded and bought a Blood Angels upgrade kit and…more to my point…a Blood Angels Librarian in Terminator armour.  To my eyes the BALITA is horrible.  He’s small and has far too many fiddly embellishments.

I’ve since built and painted Reivers, outriders and intercessors.  On seeing the new intercessor figure I really like the look of it.

For me the newer figures seem to be simpler in form which makes them distinctive and easily recognisable.  The old stuff seems to be more Steam Punk than Thunderbirds/Space 1999.  When I’m painting an army I want it to be quick and clean with as few panel lines as possible and extra bits reduced to a minimum.  Why would a fighting unit in the 41st millenia have lots of bits getting in the way?  You cut your hair short so your enemy can’t grab it in a fight, why have extra bits added to your person?  I appreciate there is an aesthetic to Chaos and that’s absolutely right, I personally don’t like it but as long as it’s “clean lined” and easily recognisable it doesn’t have to be overly busy.

I’m not against kitbashing either.  I changed the Blood Angels to Exorcists and have wrapped bits of micropore tape about their limbs to look like more those oath, seal doodads.

I do struggle with the scale of 40k though (wargame v skirmish units) and wish I could just give all my new Godrangs Gitstompas boyz a Slugga and a choppa to keep all the dice rolling simple.

P.S. I wish GW would consider more appropriate poses.  The first of my intercessors to die will be the chap standing whilst looking down at his bolter during a stoppage.

Edited April 28 by Rowland

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

Chaos vehicles are the question mark here. On one hand, I can see GW not touching them yet because of production timing, and them having to wait even longer to get the new stuff (not that it will stop dedicated hobbyists in the mean time) but on the other, I can definitely see them doing a rug pull.

 

That is the big question at this stage. If it were me, I would I would supply Chaos with the HH vehicle kits and some suitably spiky/slimy/dusty/party accessories but I know GW seems to want to keep the HH and 40K ranges separate so I don't really know what they will do.

[Orange Knight]

9 minutes ago, Rowland said:

Hello, I’m in my late fifties and just starting (but deep diving) 40k.  .

 

 

Welcome! it's never too late to join the hobby. Just building and painting by itself is a lot of fun.

As for the new figures being more simple, I think they are a bit more clean in some instances, but there are lots of models that are heavily decorated such as the Victrix, Sword Brethren, etc. Some of these models have the same levels of decorations as their older variants, but because they are larger and better proportioned they don't look as cluttered.

 

You mentioned boyz - they will all be armed with a Slugga, Choppa and Shoota going forward by default, so all units will have the same wargear and thus dice rolls.

[Interrogator Stobz]

1 hour ago, Antarius said:

That and shelf space is a big part of it for sure. Plus of course the need to keep pumping out stuff at a frankly insane rate, but I think people also really underestimate the "bookkeeping/maintenance" and the storage issues.

I guess there's also something to be said for it being easier to balance, so that should be a positive for people who are heavily into that.

It'll just be the production and shelf space. 

The fact that Legends data sheets exist and get updated every couple of Editions proves that's not the issue.

[Orange Knight]

Units being moved to Legends has never stopped me from using them, but it has stopped me from buying new ones. 

 

It's why I think it's so important that the rules are easy to access and to build lists with. I've never come across a situation where I couldn't use a Legends unit even in a pick-up game.

One particular unit I enjoy using in 40k is my Sicaran Venator tank. If it was in the app I would enjoy using it even more just so I can actually have it in the list and also access the rules.
Fingers crossed this is someting that GW do in 11th. I have a feeling they might actually do this as sending all remaining classic units to Legends will irk people, but this could smooth things over a bit. 

[phandaal]

6 hours ago, Antarius said:

Finally, if you love firstborn, I sincerely hope you have what you need at this point, because it's not like there hasn't been (and still are) any opportunities to buy this stuff. That's not a dig at anyone who prefers the firstborn aesthetic either; I am firmly in the "we don't talk about Primaris" camp myself and I'm never going to start pretending hover tanks are actually as cool as Rhinos.

 

I would recommend that everyone who likes the classic aesthetic and units either gets a 3D printer or finds a friend who owns one.

 

Yes, yes, it is impossible because everyone lives in a single room with their entire family like Charlie Bucket dreaming about his golden ticket, but just consider it.

 

With printing, it is possible today to obtain high quality upscaled versions of almost everything from the original Space Marine range. If/when someone at GW decides the company will no longer make the range, the ability to find the miniatures will only increase as more people step in to fill that gap.

[Son of Rawl]

I'm more surprised it has taken them this long to phase out First Born marines.  I thought it would have been close to when they had Dante cross the Rubicon, as they made a pretty big deal about how none of the Blood Angels, and successors, wanted to risk him doing it. 

 

Also, has anyone actually failed to cross over the Rubicon? 

[grailkeeper]

Just now, Son of Rawl said:

 

 

Also, has anyone actually failed to cross over the Rubicon? 

Supposedly loads of people initially but nobody with a name.

 

I havent heard of anyone refusing the surgery either. Space Marines arent afraid to die but I'm sure there have to be some that would rather die on the battlefield than risk dying to an elective surgery. 

[Crimson Longinus]

Regarding model line being stagnant, yeah, I was a bit bored with the same units just getting re-released again and again. I think the GW made a mistake, when they so tightly nailed down the composition of the marine chapter so early on. I think one of the good things about the primaris project aside the improved look is blowing up that rigidity, and giving the designers the freedom to come up with new stuff. And sure, some those had not been so great, but a lot of it has. 

[Orange Knight]

18 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

Supposedly loads of people initially but nobody with a name.

 

I havent heard of anyone refusing the surgery either. Space Marines arent afraid to die but I'm sure there have to be some that would rather die on the battlefield than risk dying to an elective surgery. 

 

There's basically no one left to cross? Almost all named characters are now Primaris.
 

Pedro Kantor and Ezekiel haven't been updated. Is there anyone else?
Edit: There's also Ulrik the Slayer and Sammael

Edited April 28 by Orange Knight

[ThaneOfTas]

2 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

There's basically no one left to cross? Almost all named characters are now Primaris.
 

Pedro Kantor and Ezekiel haven't been updated. Is there anyone else?

Gabriel Seth and Corbulo.