Valrak 2026 release rumours video

[FarFromSam]

Thatll be an end of me buying gw products if true

[DemonGSides]

24 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

Not totally unexpected, but still not great. The shorty infantry going was given, but I hoped they would have spared the vehicles.

 

I wish that this would mean GW would take Legends more seriously and for example incorporate them into the app. And I hope this would also make people more accepting towards using the Legends. Personally I have always been fine with using them, but that is not a common attitude. 

 

I've never met someone who isn't OK with Legends units since 7th.  There was one guy who was practicing for LVO who asked for strict tournament style games for the month lead up last year, but otherwise I think common, non-internet sentiment is that they're mostly a bit weak so if you want to bring them, no one's worried.

 

It's just people online who can spew bile without any repercussions that give Legends the bad name, now-a-days.  No one's worried about a Tomb Sentinel ruining their games.

GW really should have a check-box in the app for them though.  Maybe in the new app.

[mecanojavi99]

25 minutes ago, redmapa said:

I doubt all the tracked vehicles are becoming legends specially if the rhino is being updated, like the base of all those vehicles is getting redone but those vehicles are not? It doesn't make any sense, I think later this year we might new land raider and rhino and then the other tanks will get an update.

As I said above, the new Rhino chassis could simply build just the Rhino, not any Rhino adjacent vehicles

Edited April 27 by mecanojavi99

[redmapa]

Just now, mecanojavi99 said:

Ask said above, the new Rhino chassis could simply build just the Rhino, not any Rhino adjacent vehicles

 

I get that but that still means GW took the trouble of designing the new kit and just threw away all the tanks that would be using this new design as a base and just did nothing with it, I just don't get the decision behind that and I just don't believe every rhino chassis is going away except the rhino itself.

[ZeroWolf]

Just now, redmapa said:

 

I get that but that still means GW took the trouble of designing the new kit and just threw away all the tanks that would be using this new design as a base and just did nothing with it, I just don't get the decision behind that and I just don't believe every rhino chassis is going away except the rhino itself.

More like they settled on a new design for rhino and are using that as the basis for updated predators/vindicators/whirlwinda/razorbacks. They might (stress might as its all rumours at this stage) only give us the new rhino and Land Raider this edition and then release the others next edition (of course they could drip feed over the edition like the assault terminators).

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, mecanojavi99 said:

The Rhino and Land Raider are supposed to be updated in the future, so that's presumably why they are sticking around

Makes sense, they’re old and iconic.

 

1 hour ago, mecanojavi99 said:

I'm also curious what this means for CSM, their motor pool is mostly comprised of Firstborn kits with spikes added to them, we know the Rhino and Land Raider are going to be refreshed but if Predators get the axe they suddenly lose their MBT.

 

I really hope this means CSM and the MonoGod legions get their own bespoke vehicles instead of "Loyalist but with spikes"

It’s been awhile and plans change but I remember a Jes Goodwin interview when Primaris dropped and he talked about this.  The long term plan was for loyalists to mostly be higher tech looking vehicles and chaos to be older Heresy vehicles and daemon engines.

[MoriyaSchism]

2 hours ago, mecanojavi99 said:

New video by Valrak, according to his rumours the entire Firstborn range is getting legended, minus Rhino and Land Raider, that means stuff like Centurions, Predators and the flyers are also getting the axe.

 

I'm personally curious about what he was told exactly, because the flyers been axed feels like an odd choice considering they can transport Primaris as well and it leaves an odd lore void, because what are Ultima Founding chapters using as air force then?

The Predator, Vindicator and Whirlwind going away sounds like a complete disaster. Especially if the models go last chance to buy or simply just sell out. What about the Dark Angels stuff like the Land Speeder Vengeance? I hope this is just some sort of marketing push to force panic purchases and the rumour is completely false. 

 

1 hour ago, mecanojavi99 said:

My understanding from this is that the new updated Rhino we are supposed to get will simply build the Rhino, no Razorback or any of the various vehicles based on it's chassis.

Be careful what you wish for. The worst case scenario is that they might sell you two hollow Rhino templates for 70 Euro like they did with the "new and improved" drop pods while selling the same old Rhino for 10 Euro more without the Razorback sprue and a brand new "Warhammer The Scouring™ Mars Pattern Rhino" sticker on the box. 

 

4 minutes ago, jaxom said:

It’s been awhile and plans change but I remember a Jes Goodwin interview when Primaris dropped and he talked about this.  The long term plan was for loyalists to mostly be higher tech looking vehicles and chaos to be older Heresy vehicles and daemon engines.

Heresy Vehicles being the only thing Chaos uses in M42? Does attrition not exist in Warhammer? I guess those Chaos boys are fighting the Long War with minimal losses while not taking the time to capture anything during their raids on the Imperium or those Dark Mechanicus freaks can somehow build sophisticated Heresy Era machinery without any changes at all completely unmolested in the Eye of Terror. 

 

37 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I've never met someone who isn't OK with Legends units since 7th.  There was one guy who was practicing for LVO who asked for strict tournament style games for the month lead up last year, but otherwise I think common, non-internet sentiment is that they're mostly a bit weak so if you want to bring them, no one's worried.

 

It's just people online who can spew bile without any repercussions that give Legends the bad name, now-a-days.  No one's worried about a Tomb Sentinel ruining their games.

GW really should have a check-box in the app for them though.  Maybe in the new app.

Whether people are okay with playing Legends is not the issue at all. It's the fact that GW simply forgets some units from the Legends PDFs across editions and ultimately never addresses their absence. The proxy guide and some of the Legends entries for Forgeworld characters, even ones with models, didn't survive the first year of 10th Edition despite being released shortly after 10th Edition's release. People who get paid to keep these things in mind simply can't be bothered to keep track of all the miniatures they sent to the graveyard. 

Edited April 27 by MoriyaSchism

[Cactus]

Not "threw away", just "not scheduled for an imminent release". 

 

Assuming GW intend to refresh the predator, razorback, whirlwind etc. for 40k I don't expect them to release all the rhino+ kits at once. Or even all in one 3-year cycle. In the interim, while those new kits haven't even been announced, the rules go away.

[phandaal]

32 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

Whether people are okay with playing Legends is not the issue at all. It's the fact that GW simply forgets some units from the Legends PDFs across editions and ultimately never addresses their absence.

 

Yeah, the bigger issue is the "deletion waiting room" aspect of Legends.

 

5 minutes ago, Cactus said:

Assuming GW intend to refresh the predator, razorback, whirlwind etc. for 40k I don't expect them to release all the rhino+ kits at once. Or even all in one 3-year cycle. In the interim, while those new kits haven't even been announced, the rules go away.

 

This is definitely something that happens (see Yarrick), but not a good way to treat fans and customers IMO. Referring specially to the practice of swapping units in and out of the rules with no transparency or warning based on internal sales/development timelines. It is very corporate-focused, with customers as a secondary consideration.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Kinda sad but the Flyers is not entirely surprising. The Wolves have already lost the Stormwolf and Stormfang. GW really haven't known what to do with Flyers since the massive overpowering of 8th edition.

My SR is a large portion of my marine collection’s total points, so yeah that’s unfortunate to hear for me.

[mecanojavi99]

1 hour ago, redmapa said:

 

I get that but that still means GW took the trouble of designing the new kit and just threw away all the tanks that would be using this new design as a base and just did nothing with it, I just don't get the decision behind that and I just don't believe every rhino chassis is going away except the rhino itself.

Why would GW do that? Because they don't plan of using the Rhino as the base for other vehicles anymore, it will be a single vehicle without a family, similar to the Centaur RSV.

 

The most prominent vehicle in the Rhino family after the Rhino was the Predator an it was directly replaced by the Gladiator.

 

So GW may simply prefer to work on the Impulsor chassis from now on for other vehicle roles, other than basic APC.

 

Heck, we don't even know how different the new Rhino will be from the old, it would not surprise me if it was an Impulsor with a roof and tracks.

Edited April 27 by mecanojavi99

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Sure, but a Heavy Bolter wouldn't be too much. Real life APCs have cannons, some of them are pretty formidable.

APCs do not have heavy cannons. Those are IFVs. They’re a completely different class of vehicle.

 

rhino=APC, Razorback=IFV.

centaur=APC, chimera=IFV.

 

adding a heavy bolter to a rhino is basically making it a Razorback.

[mecanojavi99]

24 minutes ago, Cactus said:

Not "threw away", just "not scheduled for an imminent release". 

 

Assuming GW intend to refresh the predator, razorback, whirlwind etc. for 40k I don't expect them to release all the rhino+ kits at once. Or even all in one 3-year cycle. In the interim, while those new kits haven't even been announced, the rules go away.

That's a lot of assumption, GW may simply be moving away from the Rhino as the basis of a vehicle family.

Edited April 27 by mecanojavi99

[Orange Knight]

What would make everything a lot better is if Games Workshop could support Legends better than they currently do.

 

Allows us to toggle Legends units on and off in the Warhammer app so we can build lists with them more easily.

Make sure the rules are better collated and laid out in the PDF, etc etc

 

They don't have to balance or update them regularly, but they could make them easier to access and enjoy.

[Orange Knight]

7 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

That's a lot of assumption, GW may simply be moving away from the Rhino as the basis of a vehicle family.

 

I agree. I believe the Rhino and Landraider will remain, but there's no indication or guarantees that any of the other tank variants will return. The only other vehicle that makes sense to return as a tracked vehicle is the Vindicator. It's a unit that has been very popular depending on rules, but there have been long periods where the opposite has been true.

 

Predators and Razorbacks have been replaced by Gladiators and Impulsors.

Meanwhile Indirect Fire could now be handled by infantry units instead of the Whirlwind.

Edited April 27 by Orange Knight

[HeadlessCross]

8 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

What would make everything a lot better is if Games Workshop could support Legends better than they currently do.

GW doesn't SUPPORT Legends, that's the point. 

 

If you're actively telling your players that certain models aren't encouraged or allowed in various "formats" and that those rules are going to be ignored regardless of how underpowered or overpowered they'd become as an edition crawls on, you're not going to expect those models to show up in casual games or expect GW support models they actively state they won't support. 

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, jaxom said:

Makes sense, they’re old and iconic.

 

It’s been awhile and plans change but I remember a Jes Goodwin interview when Primaris dropped and he talked about this.  The long term plan was for loyalists to mostly be higher tech looking vehicles and chaos to be older Heresy vehicles and daemon engines.

Which is perfectly fine as a design point going forward, but the problem is people already own these models, so they need to be allowed. 

[Orange Knight]

Yeah, and that needs to change.

 

Legends should either exist as a concept and be done properly, or it shouldn't exist at all.

And I understand that the whole point is for people to have rules for models that aren't supported fully, but that doesn't mean that those rules should be an inconvenience to even access.

 

Especially for people that buy codex books and sub to Warhammer plus.

Edited April 27 by Orange Knight

[Zoatibix]

Orange Knight’s point, and I agree, is that it would be great if the official app supported Legends models by hosting the rules and letting us add them to army lists.
 

 

Edited April 27 by Zoatibix

[Zoatibix]

Blue horrored my post
 

 

Edited April 27 by Zoatibix
Double post

[brother_b]

GW has a business plan centered around constantly pushing new products, regardless of lore change or model invalidation. To legends they go, which is a nice way of saying we’ll forget about those models in a few years time.

 

The player base that used to be, pre-pandemic, is not the current player base. That’s just from my own personal experience, playing the game, going to the game store, and going to some huge events like the Las Vegas Open. It’s expanded!

 

We’ve got a whole new generation of players that don’t have the physical and mental baggage of editions past, and lore lost. As long as people keep buying, the machine will keep churning.
 

I’ll pour one out for the homie devastators and tacticals that are no longer here.

 

I’m also trying to get in a Zen state about editions and changes, because hobby is supposed to be fun. Sometimes the bickering, and concern over change overwhelms what the hobby brings me personally, which is an escape from reality and a chance to hang with friends.

[HeadlessCross]

39 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

Yeah, and that needs to change.

 

Legends should either exist as a concept

As a concept it already does what GW wants. What YOU want as a concept was never the idea. 

[phandaal]

8 minutes ago, brother_b said:

I’m also trying to get in a Zen state about editions and changes, because hobby is supposed to be fun. Sometimes the bickering, and concern over change overwhelms what the hobby brings me personally, which is an escape from reality and a chance to hang with friends.

 

From my own experience (and many other people on this forum's experience apparently), the best answer for this is to stop using the newest edition of GW's rules. You will be pleasantly surprised how easy it is to keep finding people to game with.

 

A lot of the trouble comes from allowing GW to lead us around by our noses, following whatever change they make purely for the benefit of their own KPIs, and allowing that to impact our hobby time.

 

Break that cycle, and the enjoyment returns!

[ThePenitentOne]

All tracked vehicles make sense to return, because even the least among them looks 10-20X better than dumb, flying hover boxes that are a waste of plastic and never should have been introduced to the range in the first place. Yes, there are some people that like them. Yes, there are even more people who will buy them whether they like them or not if it feels like you need one to win. But they are NOWHERE NEAR as universally loved as Marine Tracked tanks, and while GW make plenty of mistakes and miss plenty of opportunities, I have faith that they are not so stupid that they've missed this.

 

If you look at GW's MO, you'll very clearly see a drive to capitalize on nostalgia- the GSC, the Votann, the Zoat, the Ambull, etc. If you think they won't do the same for their poster boys, I have a handful of AWESOME 3d printed models I'll send you if you message me your credit card information. (Note: In case there's any doubt, that was a joke). By redoing the Rhino this edition, GW lays the ground work for another 3-4 editions worth of updates to the poster faction, which would otherwise be running out of things to update Rhino this edition, Predator next edition, Whirlwind in 13th, etc.

 

Heck, I don't even think "Firstborn" are truly "gone" so much as they are being retired in their current form to be brought back later in an upscaled and perhaps reorganized format. Alternatively, GW may also use the "Firstborn away time" to blend classic design cues into the sculpts of new Primaris kits and a rules revision that allows Intercessors to field a special and a heavy in order to fill the niche left by the retreat of the pure "Firstborn."

 

I haven't built my Immolator yet, so I'm not sure how different the Sisters' Rhino (Deimos pattern or whatever) is from the standard Space Marine Rhino, but if there are significant differences, the "new" Marine Rhino may just be the Sisters' Rhino without the Ecclesiarchy upgrade sprue in a Space Marine box. It's worth mentioning, of course, that all three tanks available to Sisters are Rhino Chasis vehicles, so if the chasis components don't differ radically from the Marine kit, they'll be updating the entire suite of Sisters vehicles too. 

 

Assuming I have any disposable income over the next few months, I might hedge my bets a little and shore up some of the holes in my collection, just in case I do lose the opportunity.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

The floating tanks for Space Marines are ridiculous. 

 

Hopefully the long-term plan is update the Rhino and Land Raider during the new edition and bring back Predators etc in future editions. 

 

This is GW of course. They're communication is poor to non-existent so we will never know if that's the plan. They also have a strong track record of terrible decisions. 

 

I do wonder where this leaves Chaos? They should have access to tanks. Playing Chaos Space Marines shouldn't mean being forced to only have Daemon Engines. If anything they should have more tracked vehicles to differentiate from the silly Grav vehicles of Cawl.