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[Lexington]

10 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

Even in the Dark Imperium book, gravis isn't described as a replacement for terminator armour.

 

I think that whatever happened to make GW change the course of development for what eventually became 8th Edition/Dark Imperium/Primaris, it occurred before novels had been developed or even contracted, which is pretty late in the process compared to model design. The theoretical iteration that would've had Gravis as an explicit replacement for Terminator armor never saw publication, and isn't something GW's ever even admitted to - it's something we can only infer. It's kind of hard to explain the decision-making around the Primaris any other way, tho.

[jaxom]

43 minutes ago, Lexington said:

 

I think that whatever happened to make GW change the course of development for what eventually became 8th Edition/Dark Imperium/Primaris, it occurred before novels had been developed or even contracted, which is pretty late in the process compared to model design. The theoretical iteration that would've had Gravis as an explicit replacement for Terminator armor never saw publication, and isn't something GW's ever even admitted to - it's something we can only infer. It's kind of hard to explain the decision-making around the Primaris any other way, tho.

Not quite. The original printing of Dark Imperium was 200 (maybe 100?) years post Maledictum Cicawhatever. The 2nd printing was 10 years.

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[Mana]

8 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

They tend to add and bolt things on to the lore as opposed to outright changing it.

 

One notable example of change is the timeline retcon in the Dark Imperium novels, and the community made a big fuss about it.

Honestly I wasn't even going to reply, both of us clearly have different opinions and that is fine. There is nothing bad with disagreeing.

 

That being said, GW outright changes the lore all the time, like I said they do it when it's convenient to them, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that GW changing the lore is a bad thing per se, but they do it all the time, and pretending they just "tend to add and bolt things on the lore" most of the time, is pure nonsense. Examples: female custodians, as GW said they always existed, the example you gave: Indomitus crusade lasted 100 years and was over, that got also changed, Rogal Dorn being dead, changed to just missing without a hand, etc. Also I don't want to go off-topic, so this is my second and last post about this, sorry everyone!

 

And being more on-topic, I hope the refreshed dark eldar units look good, if they do new kabalites like the did the new eldar guardians that would be enough for me. Also I'm quite interested in how the refreshed space marines vehicles might look.

 

[Orange Knight]

There are examples of retcons, yes. Another big one is how the Necrons operate.

 

But keep in mind that this is a 40yr old setting serviced by hundreds of authors over generations. It's pretty consistent overall. 

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[phandaal]

1 hour ago, jaxom said:

Not quite. The original printing of Dark Imperium was 200 (maybe 100?) years post Maledictum Cicawhatever. The 2nd printing was 10 years.

 

What does this have to do with the development timeline for the new Marine range though? He was saying that "Gravis as Terminators" seems like something that was come up with and then abandoned early on before the official lore was written.

 

2 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

Isn't it more limited than tracked vehicles and traditional land speeders? It can't fly over friendly units because the repulsor plates pound the ground constantly to keep the vehicle afloat. It's like having an APC or a transport helicopter that can't support troops up close safely. 

 

Yeah, it doesn't fly. It basically punches itself off of the ground with its grav plates. Anything under it gets crushed because it is subject to the full weight of the tank.

 

It should also not be able to go over water, unless something happens between now and the 41st Millennium to make water solid enough to hold up the weight of a tank.

[Orange Knight]

And yet it does go over water. It's literally used to assault positions over the ocean on a planetary engagement against the Tau.

 

The Gravitic field can be focused or dispersed, so it can cover a large surface area or a more narrow space - It isn't just hammering a spot underneath the tank at all times, and using it to cover a larger area suspends it over water.

 

And yes, the tank can also be dropped from orbit, again, this happens in the lore during a key engagement. 

 

 

So taking all this into account, I would like some more compelling rules for the unit. You can hate the Grav tanks all you want, but the lore has been written and I'm simply asking for it to be reflected on the tabletop.