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Evening everyone, I'm working on building out a dark angels list, but am at a little bit of a loss on filling in the last 165pts. Everything in the list is changeable, so if you have general recommendations I'm happy to hear them, but this is what I'm thinking so far: ++ Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [82 PL, 9CP, 1,835pts] ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selection**: Dark Angels Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost [-3CP] Ravenwing Outrider Detachment [3CP] + Stratagems + Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics + No Force Org Slot + Ravenwing Apothecary [6 PL, -1CP, 115pts]: Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter . Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon Ravenwing Champion [4 PL, 70pts]: Reliquary of the Repentant . Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon + HQ + Captain on Bike [6 PL, -1CP, 105pts]: 2. Fury of the Lion (Aura), Bolt pistol, Heavenfall Blade, Power sword, Rites of War, Stratagem: Paragon of the Chapter, Warlord Lieutenant(s) [8 PL, 160pts] . Ravenwing Talonmaster + Elites + Ravenwing Black Knights [18 PL, 360pts] . Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer . Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer . Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer . Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer . Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer . Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer . Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer . Ravenwing Huntmaster: Corvus Hammer + Fast Attack + Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 165pts] . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Attack Bike: Multi-melta Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 165pts] . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Attack Bike: Multi-melta Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 165pts] . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Attack Bike: Multi-melta Bike Squad [11 PL, 265pts] . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Biker Sergeant: Combi-plasma . 3x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword: 3x Astartes Chainsword, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Twin boltgun . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun Bike Squad [11 PL, 265pts] . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Biker Sergeant: Combi-plasma . 3x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword: 3x Astartes Chainsword, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Twin boltgun . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun ++ Total: [82 PL, 9CP, 1,835pts] ++ General idea is for bike squads to have the flexibility to either be big bricks to soak up and dish out damage as needed, or combat squad into 4 obsec squads zipping around the table. I know a Tallonmaster fits as the 165 exactly, but I can't help but think something else (like a darkshroud or another chainsword bike squad or something) might be better for objectives or durability.

I played a small tournament with my Deathwing Vanguard with 2 Land Raiders. It was a positive experience overall and I had some good games, but I predictably went 0-3. That's all right, I'd recently finished my LRC and had intended to take it and my older Land Raider to at least 1 tournament just for the lulz before Covid hit, and I finally was able to do so. Now it's time to play something that stands more chance of being competitive, so here's the list I'm going to try next. +++ NA 2K Ravenwing v1 (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [101 PL, 5CP, 2,000pts] +++ ++ Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [101 PL, 5CP, 2,000pts] ++ + Configuration [9CP] + **Chapter Selector**: Dark Angels Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP] Detachment Command Cost [-3CP] Ravenwing Outrider Detachment + Stratagems [-2CP] + Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter [-2CP]: 2x Number of Extra Relics [-2CP] + No Force Org Slot [5 PL, -1CP, 85pts] + Ravenwing Champion [5 PL, -1CP, 85pts]: Blade of Triumph, Chapter Command: Chapter Champion [1 PL, 15pts], Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP], The Imperium's Sword . Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon + HQ [24 PL, 470pts] + Lieutenant(s) [16 PL, 320pts] . Ravenwing Talonmaster [8 PL, 160pts]: Arbiter's Gaze . Ravenwing Talonmaster [8 PL, 160pts] Sammael [8 PL, 150pts]: 4-6. Master of Manoeuvre, Warlord + Elites [24 PL, -1CP, 455pts] + Ravenwing Apothecary [6 PL, -1CP, 115pts]: Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary [1 PL, 15pts], Reliquary of the Repentant, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP] . Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon Ravenwing Black Knights [18 PL, 340pts]: Ravenwing Black Knight [40pts], Ravenwing Black Knight [40pts], Ravenwing Black Knight [40pts], Ravenwing Black Knight [40pts] . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Corvus Hammer [5pts] . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Corvus Hammer [5pts] . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Corvus Hammer [5pts] . Ravenwing Huntmaster [45pts]: Corvus Hammer [5pts] + Fast Attack [48 PL, 990pts] + Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 165pts] . Attack Bike [2 PL, 55pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] . Attack Bike [2 PL, 55pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] . Attack Bike [2 PL, 55pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 165pts] . Attack Bike [2 PL, 55pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] . Attack Bike [2 PL, 55pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] . Attack Bike [2 PL, 55pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] Bike Squad [9 PL, 150pts] . Biker Sergeant [30pts]: Astartes Chainsword . 4x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword [120pts]: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Twin boltgun Bike Squad [9 PL, 150pts] . Biker Sergeant [30pts]: Astartes Chainsword . 4x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword [120pts]: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Twin boltgun Bike Squad [9 PL, 150pts] . Biker Sergeant [30pts]: Astartes Chainsword . 4x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword [120pts]: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Twin boltgun Land Speeders [9 PL, 210pts] . Land Speeder [3 PL, 70pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] . Land Speeder [3 PL, 70pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] . Land Speeder [3 PL, 70pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) I don't think there's too much remarkable here. I suspect most Ravenwing lists meant to be competitive are going to look fairly similar. I only have 2 squads of Attack Bikes because that's all I have - and 2 of them are just purchased and still in their boxes. That's about the extend of meta-chasing I'm willing to go to. In place of the 3rd squad is the Land Speeder squad. It's a little more expensive, but has more base movement and can go over terrain instead of around it. 3 Bike Squads instead of Outrider Squads on the theory that Bike Squads are a slightly better investment in points. Black Knights for the Weapons of the Dark Age punch. The Champion originally made it in to carry the Reliquary of the Repentant instead of the Apothecary, but then I listened to an Art of War podcast where someone used him as an effective beatstick, and the list could use that. Sammy and the 2 Talonmasters, natch. The idea is to fully exploit the first turn bonus Ravenwing get in Devastator Doctrine to hopefully put a serious hurt on my opponents' forces, then use mobility to rack up objectives. I figure there are worse plans.

Almost always I take a dark shroud with me but more and more I am wondering if it is still worht it. It is fairly expensive and most armies have access to full rerolls now or ways to get +1 to hit. For the same amount of points you could get 4 black knights. What are your thoughts?