GooseDaMoose Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Lol I hear that Mr. Malevolent, but I made a special exception for this guy because of his backstory, which you shall hear at some point, but anyway, yes, they might eat their dead, but that's the whole deal with Brother-Marines that go into dreadnoughts; they're not dead :P Wicced, "Look out it's throwing pots of unknown stuff that's been at the back of the fridge for decades!" Anyway guys, progress is slow. As I said, friends have been coming and going this past month so I've been a bit (very) busy and now to make matters worse, I have exams in 2 days. However, I did produce these guys a while ago that I didn't get round to posting until now. I wasn't sure if I should because I'm not entirely sure if they're going to be Sons of Malice, especially considering their inspiration. Anyway, enough talk. Picture time! First up, remember this guy? He had a different helm before though: http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Forlorn001.jpg I lost the axe head originally meant for his weapon, so for the time being he wields a club.. http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Forlorn002.jpg "Sup?" Then we have these guys: http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Forlorn004.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Forlorn003.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Forlorn005.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Forlorn006.jpg Couple of reasons I came up with these guys. 1) Two-handed swords are just about the coolest kind of weapon in the world. No question. Don't even try. 2) I was inspired by the old Forlorn Hope troops which through the ages have been the soldiers which always went first into the breach, i.e., the baddest mothereffers in the whole army. Or the most depressed, or vainglorious, whatevs :) So they actually fit the Iron Warriors Legion the most as I imagine the siege specialists would need some sort of elite squad to send into the breach (after a couple of meatshield waves of human units) to secure a foothold. So I'm working on a sort of story for why a squad of Iron Warriors are fighting for my Sons of Malice. Thanks for looking! I'm sorry for the lack of progress on my Dreadnought, but I need some supplies before I can continue, and they're suprisingly hard to come by in Oslo.. C&C WELCOME! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2744235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 They look mighty cool. The huge swords look great, and as you say, they are soooo cool :confused: - Natanael Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2744310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hushrong Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Pretty cool stuff Goose. I've been wondering why I haven't seen too many updates. In regards to the dread being a giant refrigerator...a joke about saving leftovers came to mind:) I also like the new guys. For my Iron Warriors fluff my main group of Astartes are combat engineers who go into the thick of it because they are too impatient to sit back and wait for the big guns to do their job. To fit them in with the SoM, I think the bitterness and betrayal that the IW have could make them favorable allies. I want to see how The two-hand marines come out. They look great and I have been wanting to do a similar pose fOr some time. Anyways, go study my friend! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2744398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Haha thanks guys I'm glad you share my enthusiasm for big swords (weyhoo!). hushrong thanks for the encouragement and suggestion. I was thinking something along the lines of the Sons of Malice hiring a small band of Iron Warrior combat engineers to fight with them for a while and fit them with upgrades in return for some favour or something. And the bitterness and betrayal thing helps ;) Anyway, I'm off to the lovely land of Chemsitry studying.. damn you titration! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2744951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Melice Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I think the swords are a bit small, could be BIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAHhahaha, just kidding, they are awsome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2745096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
subtlebrush Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I definitely dig the big swords. On the topic of the eating of the dead and such... The way at least I see my company is that since their rituals of consuming the dead (and dying perhaps) came into the light and had them "banished", if a brother fell in battle his fellows would swarm on his body ripping off armour (to replenish their own deteriorating armour/weapons) and devouring him utterly, giving no thought to ever check if their actually alive. I mean of course there would be Dreadnaughts before the fall (hopefully still functioning after they fled into the warp), but I think anyone unlucky enough to get winded in battle had best get back up and moving or his fellows will devour him. Maybe I might just keep that for my "berzerker" company then for the whole chapter... Oh and by the by, I have some Sons waiting to be primed so I should have a new W.I.P. up and running complete with re-worked fluff :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2745153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volgon Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Love the poses of those last guys. I've been looking to make a mini like that myself. The arms of both those guys are from the Death Company set right? It looks like the Thunder Hammer pair for the first guy, not sure about the second though. Great job! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2745595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted May 4, 2011 Author Share Posted May 4, 2011 Brother Melice hahah thanks man! Maybe some bigger swords are in order :) Mr. Malvolent I can't wait for some new brothers to our cause! But about the eating each other thing, that is definitely not something I see 7th Company doing. They know that their goals can only be achieved with unity of purpose and an unbreakable brotherhood. Thus, any brother in 7th Company is as important as the next and they will do their best to save even the lowliest battle-brother from death. Once killed, however, they will be consumed in reverance and to keep their wisdom and battle knowledge within the company. If they break down like a pack of hungry wolves and start with infighting and eating each other, how will they ever show the light of Malal to the galaxy? They may be different from other bands of Sons of Malice, but Batko's Blacks have their martial pride and don't let their burning hatred get in the way of practicality in military matters (mostly..) Volgon thanks man, I appreciate it :) I'm not sure if both the pairs of arms are from the Death Company box actually. The bionic arm is, but his other arm is just a normal bolter-holding arm with a fist instead of the trigger hand. The other dude has two bolter-holding arms, and the right hand was replaced with a normal right-handed fist; of which there are SUPRISINGLY few, it's really pretty crazy lol anyway, good luck! Post a picture when you get em done! Thanks again guys! I hope I'll have some time to do work on some dudes while I wait for the stuff to arrive for my Dreadnought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2746771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
subtlebrush Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I definitely see where your coming from brother. I'm undecided if that's the course I want my Company to go, although it would be interesting to see each Company following their own set of morales. I was actually planning to make my Sons all True Scale (I have two marines ready for priming other then figuring out the basing situation) and couldn't decide between the Space Wolves list or Blood Angels (either one being head strong/close combat oriented as it is) which of course would reflect the fluff for the Company. I was thinking of going more in the "scavenger/ not yet berzerker but still berzerker" style for my Company. So many ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2747184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hushrong Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Mr. MalvolentBut about the eating each other thing, that is definitely not something I see 7th Company doing. They know that their goals can only be achieved with unity of purpose and an unbreakable brotherhood. Thus, any brother in 7th Company is as important as the next and they will do their best to save even the lowliest battle-brother from death. Once killed, however, they will be consumed in reverance and to keep their wisdom and battle knowledge within the company. If they break down like a pack of hungry wolves and start with infighting and eating each other, how will they ever show the light of Malal to the galaxy? They may be different from other bands of Sons of Malice, but Batko's Blacks have their martial pride and don't let their burning hatred get in the way of practicality in military matters (mostly..) Be careful, for that is the way to Ultramarine-ism! :) On a serious note regarding fluff: I used to think the same, that they would have tighter bonds with one another. They would be organized, disciplined, and stalwart. The thought changed though because, for me, these are Chaos Space Marines who worship a Chaos God (who is the mack daddy of them all). My first Sons began to appear more like Ultramarines in black and white armor and I wanted to have a different character to them. Having turned, there will be some backstabbing, plotting, and hatred from one SoM to another, but it will not consume them because there are greater enemies to be fought in place of settling petty differences. Heck, even berzerkers haven't completely collapsed on themselves (although it would be best to never drop your guard around one). Essentially, I didn't want my guys to be perfect. Nothing ever is, there are always flaws. I do not mind if a Son of Malice has kept his warrior discipline or descended into madness, each have their own individuality, and each warband/company could have different experiences that shaped them. I think that as long as extremes (bad or good) are avoided its all zen for the Sons. For example, they are fighting in the 13th Black Crusade alongside other traitors. I would think that they would kill anything that wasn't a SoM on site...but that is not the case. This shows that they can hold back and plot...and sooner or later Abaddon will regret bringing them along. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2748039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
subtlebrush Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 @hushrong: You seem to always hit it right on the nail. I think the main reason I go for the "crazy anarchists" feel for my Sons is because well their patron is the king of anarchy or should I say, the pure deity of anarchy. Plus Malice (Malal) leaches the life essence from his followers and grants them a bit of power to destroy the other gods followers so I can see Sons killing off allied war-bands here and there amongst the Crusade fighting but reporting it was from Loyalists to Abbadon ;) I kind of see the Sons as being more like the Blood Gorgons if you've read that wonderful novel yet... their much more of a brotherly bond with a smidgeon of order. I think if you instill too much order you start to get the Ultrasmurf affect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2748100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted May 5, 2011 Author Share Posted May 5, 2011 To explain my view, I'd like to give you some history of the 7th Company. WALL OF TEXT WARNING. My warband, "Batko's Blacks" the 7th company of the Sons of Malice, was first created under the command of Captain Ratu Udre, before the Fall and was, like the rest of the Chapter, a brutal and efficient force, fuelled by its hatred and cannabalistic ways. Udre was well respected and somewhat feared throughout the Chapter as a ruthless tactician who didn't shy away from genocide if need be, so there was no little confusion when he appointed the eccentric Captain Chomskij as his successor; a decision which has never been understood. But, the 7th Company was once more led by a very militarily efficient man, if somewhat less brutal than Udre, and prone to some strange habits, such as meditating and using a walking stick despite being perfectly healthy. Chomskij followed with interest as a lowly Battle-Brother by the name of Batko rose steadily through the ranks. He was both exceptionally large and strong for a Space Marine, aswell as a very astute learner and a shrewd mediator. While his Battle-Brothers often joshed him about his "peace-loving" ways, he was an undoubtedly able warrior. Chomskij saw potential in the level-headed Batko and soon appointed him to be his lieutenant and diplomatic envoy to other Chapters and Sons of Malice companies. Not having been raised on Scelus, Batko was never as savage and bloodthirsty as the rest of his brothers in the Sons of Malice; and certain elements in the Chapter saw his rapid rise through the ranks as terrible decision-making. None-the-less, no one could claim he wasn't a true Son of Malal. In battle, he was always at the forefront of any assault, claiming heads and challenging any and all who dared oppose him. He fully embraced the ways of the Sons, but even before being promoted to lieutenant was an outspoken opponent of the so-called "friendly competition" which Brother-Anarch Kathal liked to encourage, arguing that it was counter-productive and hurt Company moral as the Chapter became more reminiscent of the criminal gangs that plagued the Imperial underworld. It came as no suprise, however, that Batko succeeded as Captain of 7th when Chomskij met his end (more on that later), despite the heavy opposition from the other Companies. Directly after the fall, Batko stepped away from traditional Sons of Malice modus operandi, beginning vast schemes to overthrow Imperial systems and tactics characterized by pragmatism, and, some would say, under-handedness, rather than the usual ruthlessness and brutality seen in the other Companies. He also began a gradual shift in the practices of the Chapter to engage in cannabalism as more of a ritual, in an effort to control the negative effects of eating human flesh, such as losing your mind. Cannabalism is by no means forbidden though, and Batko himself argues for the importance of a link to humanity's primordial past. These changes were merely reinforced when Batko and Asti (see first page) combined forces, and the additional Alpha Legionnaires joined 7th Company. Although the more traditionalist elements in 7th Company are opposed to Batko's changes (notably Brother-Sergeant Kobyla) there is still a structure of discipline and infighting is kept to a minimum, because no one can argue with the positive results of Batko's restructering; new recruitment worlds for the Sons of Malice, and a number of cults dedicated to Malal appearing on Imperial worlds, looking to "throw off the shackles of their Imperial masters." As a result of these changes from traditional Sons of Malice views, a number of Companies and warbands have refused to work with Batko's Blacks (such as yours, maybe, hushrong?) and appeals have been made by Company Captains to Brother-Anarch Kathal to have the 7th Company thrown out of the Sons of Malice, but Kathal is no fool, and can see that Batko can come in handy in the future, and has a very impressive track record to boot. It must be added, aswell, that Batko is totally loyal to the Sons of Malice Chapter, despite his differences in opinion. So, sorry bout that. But yeah, to sum up, Batko did it :D It doesn't mean that my entire company is this idyllic brotherhood of puppy-loving superpals i.e. the Ultramarines, but that's the way they're presented in the propaganda. But they are soldiers, and just because you follow a God of Chaos, doesn't mean that you can't have unity of purpose. For example, that traitor regiment from Dan Abnett's Gaunt's Ghosts books, I forget the name. Phew, forgive me guys, but you asked for it (sorta..) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2748358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
subtlebrush Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I see brother so Batko is somewhat of a renegade amongst the Sons right? Oh and I think you were meaning the Blood Pact from Gaunt's Ghost's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2749512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Melice Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Here is something to get your creative and converting juices flowing Brother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2750272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted May 7, 2011 Author Share Posted May 7, 2011 Oh man yeah! I saw it earlier but I didn't comment! I love the down-to-earth scuffle between two mortal enemies, no finesse, just raw hate. Very very cool, and I definitely want to see more! I am wondering though, what are the faces on the Son's shoulder pad? It's kinda making me think of a design for the Company symbol.. <_< Oh and Mr. Malevolent, yeah I guess you could say he's kind of a renegade, but he's efficient so Kathal keeps him around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2750369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted May 9, 2011 Author Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hey all, finally back with some pictures. Not with any of the Iron Warriors Auxillaries though, my work is tooooo scattered for that :P I got distracted and decided to sit my butt down and paint. And in a single day I finished these guys, a new record: Okay so his face isn't done, but shush.. http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Newest008.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Newest007.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Newest009.jpg Isn't not studying for exams so fun? :D I would also like to present to scrutiny and criticism, a WiP of a remake of Batko. Just thought he was a bit static. Seriously, I have never in my life had a Commander for an army for very long; I always have to redo him to make him better and more dynamic.. Anyway: http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Newest001.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Newest002.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Newest003.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Newest005.jpg And a size comparison with the old Batko: http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Newest006.jpg So, the changes: I've given him a bigass sword instead of the Dreadaxe, because apparently I'm in a phase :P it's now called Dreadblade! I will be giving him a stormbolter attachment on his powerfist so he'll be aiming or shooting it. He's also wearing a helm now, and I need help deciding whether or not to keep the mohawk on the top of it. It could be a plume, or his hair sticking up through the helm, either way, I'm not sure it fits him at all. But at the same time, I like it for some reason. So, any help? Criticism and comments would be very helpful! Thank you :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2752405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hushrong Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Nice additions Goose! And redoing your commander too? I have to start off by saying I like the GS work! I really like the armored plat and chainmail tabbard. My only critique is that the two Batko's poses are identical and I am not a fan of the big nostrils. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2752420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
subtlebrush Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 First. your GS work is solid! I'm so jealous right now. Secondly, I like both :D All I ask you do with your new Batko is add some nice grizzly trophies! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2752441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocanum Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 i like the armor on new batko a lot better. though this is just a personal preference, i think that batko's helmet should have some horns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2752914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Scorpion Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Such a lovely force you're building here! Any chance of a tutorial on the armour? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2757638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I think the new bakto should have the old ones head, I think it fits a but more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2757668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted May 13, 2011 Author Share Posted May 13, 2011 @hushrong Yeah I saw you were doing yours again which made me turn to Batko and think "Hmm.." Also he was the first model I made for this project and I can definitely say that my GS-skillz have greatly improved (the only thing I could manage before was gap-filling and fur) over the course of these past few months working on these guys, so yeah, thought it was about time :P The two poses being the same.. yeah, they are but I never really intended them to be very different. They are the same guy after all and I guess in part I did it subconciously to smooth over the transition to a new HQ model, so the loss of the old one wouldn't be so rough -sniff- @Mr. Malevolent Thank you sir! Grizzly trophies will be added, I assure you ;) @Vairocanum & Terminatorinhell Thanks for the comments gents! I wanted a helmeted Batko to see if I could make something worthy of my Captain, and I think horns are a tad overdone, but I'm definitely not finished with it quite yet so who knows what I might end up giving him. @Red Scorpion Yeah sure! I'll see what I can do. Any specific part or do you mean the torso+thighplates+tabard? Thanks for the comment. Thanks people! Keep fuelling my fire! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2757980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I've always been a fan of your painting. The weathering you do really makes these renegades noteworthy in my opinion. I like the new commander but I would make one small suggestion. I would make a small hole in the base and sink the helmet he is standing on partially smashed into the ground. He looks to be one hefty marine and I doubt that a helmet would be enough to bear half his weight without chrushing like a tin can or sinking into soft soil. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2758096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 @mikhail Thank you man! Don't worry the helmet is only there for the time being to show his pose, it will be replaced by something more fitting at some point :lol: A small update on my homedog, G Batko: http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Batko007.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Batko008.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Batko009.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/GooseElMoose/Batko010.jpg Too much skeletal stuff? Advice and criticism appreciated! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2758762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 A small update on my homedog, G Batko: Ali G Batko...? :lol: ;) Too much skeletal stuff? Nah, seems fine to me Advice and criticism appreciated! :) Your wish is my command, sire. One thing jumps out at me when I look at the newest bunch of pictures, his right foot seems to be at a skew whiff angle, but it may just be the picture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/213040-sons-of-malice-batko-blacks-7th-company-a-wip-project/page/12/#findComment-2758779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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