Nakuth Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Hello, brothers & sisters! It has been a long time since I was highly active on the B&C, that's largely down to a combination of factors both work & personal, however I've been trying to continue to contribute where & when I can. That said, I feel it's long past time for me to kick-off a topic of my own, and so I'm doing this in two stages. This is the first, where I ask for your input, and the second will depend on the outcome of this topic. So, my friends, I task you with the following poll: I have two ideas for what will initially be a fluff only thread, but will hopefully expand into a full army blog. Idea number 1: "The Raven & The Serpent" - This will be a thread about two seperate Heresy armies, and detail both their history (in fluff terms), and, hopefully, the building of both forces. As the name would suggest, these armies would be from the XIX & XX Legions. - Each force would have a largely similar intent: decapitation strike/assassination, but go about it in different ways, each particular to their respective legions. The Raven guard one would use the Decapitation Strike rite of war as a theme, and the Alpha Legion one would be an air-cav force, loosely based on Fireforce (Wikipedia article). - If I'm feeling really enthusiastic, I may even slake my thirst for all things big guns, and include a IV Legion aspect to this. Idea number 2: - Partly inspired by this thread from WoT, my other idea is to do a project log of two eras: Pre-Heresy/Heresy force, and a post-Heresy/Scouring force of one of their successors. - For this, I have a couple of initial ideas: a Raven Guard + Charcaradons; Iron Hands (Morragul clan) + Red Talons; or Imperial Fists + Executioners. If I feel like getting adventurous, I might even look at doing an Ultras + DIY successor (3rd founding or later). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoros Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 *jumps in through the window* Did somebody say Clan Morragul and Red Talons? All your ideas definitely sound good, but I've got a soft spot for Morragul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3667703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Having an Ultramarine Legion force led by a Praetor named Orar (as in the Sons of Orar's spiritual founder) would be seriously kick-ass. Or, If you're digging the Iron Hands bits, making a Ultramarine force that one day becomes the Praetors of Orpheus (A tech-savvy 2nd Founding Chapter) would be really cool. I can totally see those Immortal minis with the Iron Hands stuff scraped off, and painted the shade of a Macraggian sky, the praetor's future chapter symbol painted across the boarding shields: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/90/PraetorsofOrpheusbadge.jpg Looking forward to seeing what you come up with! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3668108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Dammit Heathens, because I didn't already have enough ideas floating around already. If I were to do a Morragul army, it'd largely be tanks, termis & breachers. Now I have a vision of a wall of breaching shields with a yellow star on the front. A Typhon should look good in Ultramar blue. I'm giving it a week or so to see what else pops up, but will definitely consider your Praetors of Orpheus suggestion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3668418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I like that idea, cotys if you fly over one weekend we have 3 heresy armies at around 2000 pts currently and I could use a battle brother ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3668422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 It has been a long time since I've played any 40k, brother. A long time. It will take me some time to build even a 2000 point army (especially one of resin). However, I will take you up on your offer some day, and we can smite the traitor scum! OT: I perhaps should have added this earlier, but if I were to do a Red Talons or Charcaradons force, I'd like to set it during the time of the Pentarchy of Blood. If that were to happen, then the Heresy force would mirror this somewhat and be set during the days of the Heresy itself. Decisions, decisions... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3668502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Sons of orar ;) Off topic: once you got your HQ and troops come over we can ally you me and my cousin so ultra BA & DG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3668540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Dammit Heathens, because I didn't already have enough ideas floating around already. If I were to do a Morragul army, it'd largely be tanks, termis & breachers. Now I have a vision of a wall of breaching shields with a yellow star on the front. A Typhon should look good in Ultramar blue. I'm giving it a week or so to see what else pops up, but will definitely consider your Praetors of Orpheus suggestion. Hell, brother, the more I think of it, the more I'm in love with the idea. No, Heathens....too many projects already....naughty thoughts.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3668660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 I actually already have a few thoughts as to the star symbol used by the Praetors: - Represents the star of Calth that was. As a reminder of the light it represented before the Word Bearers trachery. - Represents the light of The Imperium. Either of these could be painted on white breaching shields (see what I did there?). This would be a different way to represent the origins of a chapter's heraldry. Yes, yes, back to work for me.....for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3668689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Not to mention, that symbol would look boss on the two front track plates of a Achillies-Alpha Land Raider. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3668692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 I would tell you you're an evil man for that suggestion, Heathens, but I suspect you already know that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3669055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus-Alaska Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 well, his name is heathens........ I had considered a project like this for My heresy era fists. then taking it into a post heresy Black Templars force. but, I reckon, MANY people are doing this. maybe Soul Drinkers? but, I would have to say, heathens' Orar Idea is probably the best one. but I do like the Fists/Executioner Idea! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3669508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 Do you mean Heathens' Orpheus idea? Jasp suggested Sons of Orar, although I'm not sure I could do that much red (clearly it must be the influence of the IX within him). On a whim, here's a bit of nonsense: "Of the heraldry adopted by the various chapters of the XIII Legion during the Great Crusade, perhaps the least is truly known about the star symbol that saw widespread use throught the companies of the 18th Chapter. Some records suggest it was initially taken up as a way of honouring the titans of Legio Astraman, alongside which the chapter fought in entirety in eradicating the greenskin menace from the [?????] system. Other records indicate that the first observed use of this symbol was by members of the 183rd company upon their return from a rotation amongst Mechanicum-led Explorator fleets. The symbol had been painted proudly on the boarding shields favoured by many within this company. What is known, however, is that when the 18 Chapter was tasked by Guilliman to guard the Forge Worlds & allied Mechanicum holdings in the aftermath of Calth, the star was officially added to the Chapter's standard." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Whatever you choose will work brother, I like the idea of an assault breacher company shield wall with assault means leaping from behind Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I likey. The Star of Calth could also explain the heavy augments, survivors of the initial assault who left with Guilliman. With few Legionnaire's left unwounded, and warriors needed back on the front line immediately, augmentics were chosen to return Ultramarines to the line quicker. Eventually, this becomes a facet of their existence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Sarge you know what if you run this project ahead id be happy to help after all were a 40 min flight apart :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 I likey. The Star of Calth could also explain the heavy augments, survivors of the initial assault who left with Guilliman. With few Legionnaire's left unwounded, and warriors needed back on the front line immediately, augmentics were chosen to return Ultramarines to the line quicker. Eventually, this becomes a facet of their existence. That's a neat idea. I had actually thought that the disparate forces of the company suffered quite a few lossess in defence of the Forge Worlds during the Shadow Crusade, and due to their proximity to Mechanicum facilities, many accepted augments in order to better return to the fight. I could flip a coin for the right explanation, really. OT EDIT: Thanks, Jasp, but I thought Sydney was closer to Melbourne, and that's over an hour? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus-Alaska Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Do you mean Heathens' Orpheus idea? Jasp suggested Sons of Orar, although I'm not sure I could do that much red (clearly it must be the influence of the IX within him). On a whim, here's a bit of nonsense: "Of the heraldry adopted by the various chapters of the XIII Legion during the Great Crusade, perhaps the least is truly known about the star symbol that saw widespread use throught the companies of the 18th Chapter. Some records suggest it was initially taken up as a way of honouring the titans of Legio Astraman, alongside which the chapter fought in entirety in eradicating the greenskin menace from the [?????] system. Other records indicate that the first observed use of this symbol was by members of the 183rd company upon their return from a rotation amongst Mechanicum-led Explorator fleets. The symbol had been painted proudly on the boarding shields favoured by many within this company. What is known, however, is that when the 18 Chapter was tasked by Guilliman to guard the Forge Worlds & allied Mechanicum holdings in the aftermath of Calth, the star was officially added to the Chapter's standard." DOOOOOOOOOOPE! and heathens actually mentioned a Praetor named Orar in his first reply. he's kinda a genius that way! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I likey. The Star of Calth could also explain the heavy augments, survivors of the initial assault who left with Guilliman. With few Legionnaire's left unwounded, and warriors needed back on the front line immediately, augmentics were chosen to return Ultramarines to the line quicker. Eventually, this becomes a facet of their existence. That's a neat idea. I had actually thought that the disparate forces of the company suffered quite a few lossess in defence of the Forge Worlds during the Shadow Crusade, and due to their proximity to Mechanicum facilities, many accepted augments in order to better return to the fight. I could flip a coin for the right explanation, really. OT EDIT: Thanks, Jasp, but I thought Sydney was closer to Melbourne, and that's over an hour? god damn I thought Melbourne. alright nearly 2hrs :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 Do you mean Heathens' Orpheus idea? Jasp suggested Sons of Orar, although I'm not sure I could do that much red (clearly it must be the influence of the IX within him). On a whim, here's a bit of nonsense: "Of the heraldry adopted by the various chapters of the XIII Legion during the Great Crusade, perhaps the least is truly known about the star symbol that saw widespread use throught the companies of the 18th Chapter. Some records suggest it was initially taken up as a way of honouring the titans of Legio Astraman, alongside which the chapter fought in entirety in eradicating the greenskin menace from the [?????] system. Other records indicate that the first observed use of this symbol was by members of the 183rd company upon their return from a rotation amongst Mechanicum-led Explorator fleets. The symbol had been painted proudly on the boarding shields favoured by many within this company. What is known, however, is that when the 18 Chapter was tasked by Guilliman to guard the Forge Worlds & allied Mechanicum holdings in the aftermath of Calth, the star was officially added to the Chapter's standard." DOOOOOOOOOOPE! and heathens actually mentioned a Praetor named Orar in his first reply. he's kinda a genius that way! ....and so he did. This is what I get for trying to make posts in between taking calls for work. Next up (but not right now): In taking a leaf out of IHF's book, I'll be posting some fluff about a mechanised formation - The Sword of Lamiad. Think Falchion/Glaive, escorted by squadron of Sicaran Venators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Which, y'know, a tech-savvy Legion force would use... Subliminal messages... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Typhons do look excellent in the Blue of Macragge Brother. And we could certainly use more Ultramarines on this forum... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 Which, y'know, a tech-savvy Legion force would use... Subliminal messages... Way ahead of you on that score. The original idea was a formation of vets & breachers in Achilles & Phobos-pattern Land Raiders, escorting a couple of Cerberus tanks. That still might happen. After all, who better to become the unofficial keepers of the more esoteric & advanced tech of the XIII Legion than the Chapter that has spent perhaps the longest time deployed & fighting alongside the Mechanicum? Typhons do look excellent in the Blue of Macragge Brother. And we could certainly use more Ultramarines on this forum... Is that you in disguise, Heathens? :p Actually, I suspect a lot of the larger tanks, as well as the Sicaran patterns, would look quite stunning in Macragge blue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Now you have no choice but to use a credit card and visit us in SA for our campaign group Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 Does the fact I have no credit card work as an excuse? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290307-the-sarges-ideas-thread/#findComment-3670410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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