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I saw it having a spiritual effect rather than manifesting a physical or psychic effect. Hearing, and being a part of, the Undying Choir has a profound effect on their psyche, spurring them on to further, greater feats. As well as being just downright disconcerting to the foe.

 

Basically it only affects morale, which is something not normally considered for Marine forces. Making something exceptional out of the mundane.

 

But that's how I took it.

That's probably closer to the truth, but I just don't think the Aetheric Swords would think of it like that. :sweat:

 

They'd probably think it's an effect of the harnessed power inherent in the Choir, and surround their explanation with tons of mystic gibberish because they don't really get it either. Like in my last post! :laugh.:

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Okay, I have two final concepts for the Scarlet Sentinels' Chapter Insignia, one is the Trident & Shield idea as suggested by Cormac and Olisredan (There's your credit, happy now Olis?:tongue.:) and another concept I thought of today while researching the british royal coat of arms; a white lion rampant holding a Trident (though I will admit I'm a little concerned the Lion Rampant may be a little to Unforgiven-ish).

 

What's your opinions?

 I'd say the trident and shield would be better in my opinion.

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Okay, I have two final concepts for the Scarlet Sentinels' Chapter Insignia, one is the Trident & Shield idea as suggested by Cormac and Olisredan (There's your credit, happy now Olis?:tongue.:) and another concept I thought of today while researching the british royal coat of arms; a white lion rampant holding a Trident (though I will admit I'm a little concerned the Lion Rampant may be a little to Unforgiven-ish).

 

What's your opinions?

 I'd say the trident and shield would be better in my opinion.

 

 

Alright, that's one vote to the Trident/Shield combo. :smile.:

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While I was at work yesterday I was thinking about what chapter tactics I could use to represent the Eagles on the tabletop, and I opted to use White Scars. That's as close as i'm going to get with the vanilla codex.  

 

But then I got to thinking "What if I make my own codex?" Immediately afterwards I thought myself entirely selfish to keep a thing like that to myself. I would like to start work on, essentially, a codex for all the loyalist chapters of the Liber Cluster. A few armies I have no idea how to represent at this point, i.e. the Scarlet Sentinels and the Doomsayers who primarily operate from aboard their space faring vessels. Others will be a little straightforward, the Eagles of Glory bring the boom, bikes as troops and tanks may be taken as fast attack. And the Conflagrators like fire, reroll failed flamer To Wound rolls and reroll wounds caused by flamers and the flamer comes standard, they don't need bolt pistols!

 

If the general consensus is good I'll set about to getting it done and launch our conquest over in the homegrown rules section.

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Okay, I have two final concepts for the Scarlet Sentinels' Chapter Insignia, one is the Trident & Shield idea as suggested by Cormac and Olisredan (There's your credit, happy now Olis?:tongue.:) and another concept I thought of today while researching the british royal coat of arms; a white lion rampant holding a Trident (though I will admit I'm a little concerned the Lion Rampant may be a little to Unforgiven-ish).

 

What's your opinions?

 

While Union Jack would've been cool, I think a trident on a shield would be the better option. Far easier to recreate, and lions make other think that you can't be forgiven.

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While I was at work yesterday I was thinking about what chapter tactics I could use to represent the Eagles on the tabletop, and I opted to use White Scars. That's as close as i'm going to get with the vanilla codex.  

 

But then I got to thinking "What if I make my own codex?" Immediately afterwards I thought myself entirely selfish to keep a thing like that to myself. I would like to start work on, essentially, a codex for all the loyalist chapters of the Liber Cluster. A few armies I have no idea how to represent at this point, i.e. the Scarlet Sentinels and the Doomsayers who primarily operate from aboard their space faring vessels. Others will be a little straightforward, the Eagles of Glory bring the boom, bikes as troops and tanks may be taken as fast attack. And the Conflagrators like fire, reroll failed flamer To Wound rolls and reroll wounds caused by flamers and the flamer comes standard, they don't need bolt pistols!

 

If the general consensus is good I'll set about to getting it done and launch our conquest over in the homegrown rules section.

 

I don't think my Sentinels would need their own Codex, they're Codex compliant already. Besides, I described (albiet breifly) in their introductory post that on the ground they favour infantry tactics, supported by fast-moving outriders (Sentinel bikers are referred to as Dragoons in my mind) that flank and harass the enemy and backed-up by artillery and infiltrating Scouts based partially on Revolutionary War Hessian Jaegers and 21st century SAS. I basically took what knowledge I had of how the British army operated in large battles in the 17th century and applied that to the Astartes arsenal. Tactical squads Scout Squads, Bike Squads, Thunderfire Cannons, Rapier Batteries, Whirlwinds, Vindicators, that kind of thing. :)

 

 

Okay, I have two final concepts for the Scarlet Sentinels' Chapter Insignia, one is the Trident & Shield idea as suggested by Cormac and Olisredan (There's your credit, happy now Olis?:tongue.:) and another concept I thought of today while researching the british royal coat of arms; a white lion rampant holding a Trident (though I will admit I'm a little concerned the Lion Rampant may be a little to Unforgiven-ish).

 

What's your opinions?

 

While Union Jack would've been cool, I think a trident on a shield would be the better option. Far easier to recreate, and lions make other think that you can't be forgiven.

 

 

Heh, as convienent as using the Union Jack would have been I prefer to be a bit more subtle with the english theming.

Anyway, that's two votes for the Trident & Shield.

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I saw it having a spiritual effect rather than manifesting a physical or psychic effect. Hearing, and being a part of, the Undying Choir has a profound effect on their psyche, spurring them on to further, greater feats. As well as being just downright disconcerting to the foe.

 

Basically it only affects morale, which is something not normally considered for Marine forces. Making something exceptional out of the mundane.

 

But that's how I took it.

That's probably closer to the truth, but I just don't think the Aetheric Swords would think of it like that. :sweat:

 

They'd probably think it's an effect of the harnessed power inherent in the Choir, and surround their explanation with tons of mystic gibberish because they don't really get it either. Like in my last post! :laugh.:

Aye, I was speaking of what the 'truth' is.

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While I was at work yesterday I was thinking about what chapter tactics I could use to represent the Eagles on the tabletop, and I opted to use White Scars. That's as close as i'm going to get with the vanilla codex.  

 

But then I got to thinking "What if I make my own codex?" Immediately afterwards I thought myself entirely selfish to keep a thing like that to myself. I would like to start work on, essentially, a codex for all the loyalist chapters of the Liber Cluster. A few armies I have no idea how to represent at this point, i.e. the Scarlet Sentinels and the Doomsayers who primarily operate from aboard their space faring vessels. Others will be a little straightforward, the Eagles of Glory bring the boom, bikes as troops and tanks may be taken as fast attack. And the Conflagrators like fire, reroll failed flamer To Wound rolls and reroll wounds caused by flamers and the flamer comes standard, they don't need bolt pistols!

 

If the general consensus is good I'll set about to getting it done and launch our conquest over in the homegrown rules section.

 

Funnily enough, in a moment of divine inspiration/vicious self-flagellation I started drafting Codex: Void Jumpers today.

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Sorry for accidentally stealing thunder. :tongue.:

 

Meh, no worries. I just worry that my mock-petulance is taken as actual petulance. ^_^

 

THE LEGIO PHLEGETHON

 

So... their low-Gothic name would be what? Something to do with Styx, the Boatman or something?

 

"Most sentients respond more productively to the presence of well reasoned arguments and an inferno gun than to reason alone."

Nicommo Zant, Arch Magos of the Saneslau Mechanicus

 

"Nice spaceport you've got here. Be a shame if something happened to it."

Laurent Rhadev, Enforcer-Princeps

Interesting quotes. I think Rhadev would look professionally menacing (in a slightly mafioso way) with slicked back hair and a crisp uniform. ;)

 

Unconfirmed intelligence reports hint at the existence of an elite echelon within Phlegthon which mounts forbidden relic technology like chem muntions, rad cleansers, and even the nigh mythical phosphex rounds on its machines, but so far these claims have been neither admitted nor refuted by the local Tech Priesthood, despite pointed inquiries from the Martian branch of the Mechanicus.

 

 

 

Forbidden tech, eh? That's a juicy little skeleton-in-the-closet for the Saneslau Mechanicus. It would be interesting to know how and when they deploy such weaponry (does the Lions count?).

 

The passion of you people is astonishing sometimes :blink.:

 

Why thank you brother. Care to join in? I'm sure you can contribute all sorts, within reason. ;)

 

...one is the Trident & Shield idea as suggested by Cormac and Olisredan (There's your credit, happy now Olis?:tongue.:)

 

No. I want ice-cream. :whistling:

 

While I was at work yesterday I was thinking about what chapter tactics I could use to represent the Eagles on the tabletop, and I opted to use White Scars. That's as close as i'm going to get with the vanilla codex.  

 

But then I got to thinking "What if I make my own codex?" Immediately afterwards I thought myself entirely selfish to keep a thing like that to myself. I would like to start work on, essentially, a codex for all the loyalist chapters of the Liber Cluster. A few armies I have no idea how to represent at this point, i.e. the Scarlet Sentinels and the Doomsayers who primarily operate from aboard their space faring vessels. Others will be a little straightforward, the Eagles of Glory bring the boom, bikes as troops and tanks may be taken as fast attack. And the Conflagrators like fire, reroll failed flamer To Wound rolls and reroll wounds caused by flamers and the flamer comes standard, they don't need bolt pistols!

 

If the general consensus is good I'll set about to getting it done and launch our conquest over in the homegrown rules section.

 

I think, given that the project is barely into it's second week of existence, keeping things in one thread may be for the best. Also, rather than an out-and-out Liber codex, I would suggest creating a table of Chapter Tactics for each of the groups (including Heathens' lot). It'll be short and sweet, as a final product, and slots in nicely without detracting from the whole. 

 

 

Also - Wow Heathens. The Lions are going to be a real thorn in the side of the Liber Cluster if they are as deadly and ruthless as you make them out to be (and a sub-sectors worth of territory to boot).

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Also - Wow Heathens. The Lions are going to be a real thorn in the side of the Liber Cluster if they are as deadly and ruthless as you make them out to be (and a sub-sectors worth of territory to boot).

 

Agreed, they look to be formidable foes, but I'll be damned if some jumped-up renegade and his mortal fanclub are gonna best the Sentinels in the void once our inevitable crusade to re-take the Eighteen Worlds get underway!

 

 

 

 

 

I have a horrible feeling I just painted a very big target on my back...

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Poorly I imagine. Although I wonder whether in areas of the cluster not close by to where they control whether they tend to use and abuse the local renegades and mercs or just wipe them out. I.e. if they attacked a world that was being rampaged over by the Angels Exultant, would they let the Angels go through and kill first/ try to work out a deal with their mysterious leaders, or would they land immediately and destroy the Angels alongside whatever else was in the way to their target?

 

I think I might have actually made that sound kinda wrong, let me clarify. Al-Rashid might be a power hungry monster, but he is charismatic, and he's clever as a fox. A criminal mastermind, after all. He also respects those who reach out and grab freedom for themselves, and treats those who do so with equality. He looks at the members of the Lions command structure, such as Tala or Acuda, as brothers and sisters. They look to him as a guide, dare i say a mentor. The first to see, to turn away and say :cuss you to everything, a father figure. 

 

It takes a lot to prove yourself to Al-Rashid, but if you can prove that you are willing to break the shackles of society, of the lies of Gods, of the lash of masters, then you're worth looking in the eye.

 

This brotherhood and sisterhood creates a sense of fidelity, a black sheep mentality amongst thieves and criminals who look out at the galaxy, stand side by side, raise their arms into the air, and give the big middle finger to the material and immaterial. No Gods. No Masters. Only freedom. Only choice, the choice you make.

 

A criminal empire, built around bonds and blood. 

 

The Blood Gorgons, blended together with the Blood Pact and Sons of Sek, with a strong Punk/Anarchist ideology.

 

Then again, if you're not willing to reach out for that freedom and break away, not willing to throw away what binds you in chains.... you're meat. Worth only the blood you can spill, yours or the Lion's enemies.

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The passion of you people is astonishing sometimes :blink.:

 

Why thank you brother. Care to join in? I'm sure you can contribute all sorts, within reason. :wink:

 

 

I doubt there is anything I can contribute. Some cracking work already, from all of you, including the (usual) awe-inspiring stuff from Heathens - I look forward to seeing more.

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Also - Wow Heathens. The Lions are going to be a real thorn in the side of the Liber Cluster if they are as deadly and ruthless as you make them out to be (and a sub-sectors worth of territory to boot).

 

Agreed, they look to be formidable foes, but I'll be damned if some jumped-up renegade and his mortal fanclub are gonna best the Sentinels in the void once our inevitable crusade to re-take the Eighteen Worlds get underway!

 

 

 

 

 

I have a horrible feeling I just painted a very big target on my back...

 

 

The Eagles will be right on the heels of the Sentinels, Brother. They best prepare to get ready for the sound of land raiders and "RAMMING SPEED!!!!!!!!"

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Also - Wow Heathens. The Lions are going to be a real thorn in the side of the Liber Cluster if they are as deadly and ruthless as you make them out to be (and a sub-sectors worth of territory to boot).

 

Agreed, they look to be formidable foes, but I'll be damned if some jumped-up renegade and his mortal fanclub are gonna best the Sentinels in the void once our inevitable crusade to re-take the Eighteen Worlds get underway!

 

 

 

 

 

I have a horrible feeling I just painted a very big target on my back...

 

 

The Eagles will be right on the heels of the Sentinels, Brother. They best prepare to get ready for the sound of land raiders and "RAMMING SPEED!!!!!!!!"

 

 

"Helmsman, are they still following us?"

 

"I'm afraid so milord, five-hundred kilometres and holding."

 

"I was afraid you'd say that."

 

"Milord! Message from the Eagle flagship, they're requesting we slow down to normal cruise velocity so they can come aboard and assist us with the stratagem for the upcoming assault!"

 

"YOU TELL THOSE ARROGANT SONS OF :censored: THE DAY WE NEED THEIR HELP IS THE DAY THE EMPEROR AND HORUS RETURN AND HUG OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES!!! HELMSMAN, CHARGE THE WARP DRIVE AND PREPARE FOR IMMEDIATE JUMP!"

 

"A-aye sir!"

 

"Aye sir!"

 

 

 

Hot-diggity-dang, now that's a weapon... :jawdrop:

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Also - Wow Heathens. The Lions are going to be a real thorn in the side of the Liber Cluster if they are as deadly and ruthless as you make them out to be (and a sub-sectors worth of territory to boot).

 

Agreed, they look to be formidable foes, but I'll be damned if some jumped-up renegade and his mortal fanclub are gonna best the Sentinels in the void once our inevitable crusade to re-take the Eighteen Worlds get underway!

 

 

 

 

 

I have a horrible feeling I just painted a very big target on my back...

 

 

The Eagles will be right on the heels of the Sentinels, Brother. They best prepare to get ready for the sound of land raiders and "RAMMING SPEED!!!!!!!!"

 

 

"Helmsman, are they still following us?"

 

"I'm afraid so milord, five-hundred kilometres and holding."

 

"I was afraid you'd say that."

 

"Milord! Message from the Eagle flagship, they're requesting we slow down to normal cruise velocity so they can come aboard and assist us with the stratagem for the upcoming assault!"

 

"YOU TELL THOSE ARROGANT SONS OF :censored: THE DAY WE NEED THEIR HELP IS THE DAY THE EMPEROR AND HORUS RETURN AND HUG OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES!!! HELMSMAN, CHARGE THE WARP DRIVE AND PREPARE FOR IMMEDIATE JUMP!"

 

"A-aye sir!"

 

"Aye sir!"

 

 

 

Exactly how I pictured the situation. I got quite a laugh from that, an old couple that just walked by gave me the strangest look! 

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Hmm. I've been having a think about how the first strategies would go between the Liber Chapters and the Lions. Now, obviously, the Lions rely on mobility and they usually choose their own battles. That means two things for Liber Chapters - One: They must somehow catch the Lions off-guard. This would probably entail some sort of bait/ambush situation. Two: Cripple the mobile aspect of the Lions and you remove a big advantage for them.

 

But, and this is a big but, there are multiple variables: 

  • There are mortal troops in the employ of the Lions - which means, ultimately they'd be expendable if the Lions want to sacrifice a portion of themselves to get away.
  • There is also dedicated stealth troops, dedicated vanguard troops and massed fighters/bombers available to them.
  • This in turn would presumably mean that the Lions own carriers of some calibre which in turn would be escorted (that's not counting any other capital ships owned by them too).
  • Let's not forget the Loxatl - who can be a real challenge for mortal soldiery, and probably still a threat to astartes (at least in family broods).  
  • Resources. Since the Silence the Lions have had the economic and industrial might of eighteen planets to draw upon. I have no doubt that they likely have a conscript army to some degree, just to act as bullet-soaks if necessary.
  • And lastly, they are renegades. True renegades, not Chaos pawns mind you. This might prove a draw for other pirates, mercenaries and vagabonds to their territory, providing yet more manpower and ships if needed. There could even be the odd xenos merc if the Lions tolerate that sort of thing (although I could certainly believe they're a 'humanity first' kind of people).  
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Also - Wow Heathens. The Lions are going to be a real thorn in the side of the Liber Cluster if they are as deadly and ruthless as you make them out to be (and a sub-sectors worth of territory to boot).

 

Agreed, they look to be formidable foes, but I'll be damned if some jumped-up renegade and his mortal fanclub are gonna best the Sentinels in the void once our inevitable crusade to re-take the Eighteen Worlds get underway!

 

 

 

 

 

I have a horrible feeling I just painted a very big target on my back...

 

 

The Eagles will be right on the heels of the Sentinels, Brother. They best prepare to get ready for the sound of land raiders and "RAMMING SPEED!!!!!!!!"

 

 

"Helmsman, are they still following us?"

 

"I'm afraid so milord, five-hundred kilometres and holding."

 

"I was afraid you'd say that."

 

"Milord! Message from the Eagle flagship, they're requesting we slow down to normal cruise velocity so they can come aboard and assist us with the stratagem for the upcoming assault!"

 

"YOU TELL THOSE ARROGANT SONS OF :censored: THE DAY WE NEED THEIR HELP IS THE DAY THE EMPEROR AND HORUS RETURN AND HUG OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES!!! HELMSMAN, CHARGE THE WARP DRIVE AND PREPARE FOR IMMEDIATE JUMP!"

 

"A-aye sir!"

 

"Aye sir!"

 

 

 

Exactly how I pictured the situation. I got quite a laugh from that, an old couple that just walked by gave me the strangest look! 

 

 

Hehe. glad you found it amusing, I can picture in my head the Eagles in their ships just constantly following certain Sentinel fleets they know are heading off somewhere to fight like little lost puppies.

I can easily imagine some of the Liber Chapters on less-than-friendly terms with the Sentinels *coughcoughconflagratorscough* lying to the Eagles about a Sentinel fleet off to some huge battle as a means of simultaneously making the Eagles leave them alone AND driving the Sentinels bonkers as a bonus. :D

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The Silence is what we are referring to the period between when the Imperium lost all contact with the Liber Cluster and when the Imperium finally returns. I have the last contact being 527.M35, about two centuries after the Imperium first attempted to settle the Liber Cluster.

 

We, as in the Liberites and other Imperial forces that accompanied the next attempt, arrive sometime after the official time given for the 21st Founding, which is given as being 991.M35.

 

So, pretty much 500 years. No Age of Strife, but enough for the Cluster to be utterly unmade and remolded during this period of "Silence," or no contact or support with the wider Imperium.

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Alright guys here's the first part of the system I've been working on, also any parts say [DATA FILE MISSING] are just placeholders for names. Any C&C are welcome as always :smile.:

 

  http://i.imgur.com/Q5zvMqn.jpg

 

Found on the outskirts of The Tempest within the Liber Cluster, the Soul Reaper System was one of the last systems’ where the Imperium rediscovered during its arrival in the later years of the 35th millennium. Sensors could only pick up the readings of dead ships at its only way in and even then the ten planets inside held little value. Eventually an explorer fleet was pulled together under the command of [DATA FILE MISSING] and was ordered through.

 

The Imperiums’ Arrival

 

http://i.imgur.com/b3xMHBz.jpg

 

“Hear us now Mon-Keigh, turn your ships around else you bring the Carrec  Buanna on yourselves!” Unknown Eldar Farseer to Lord Admiral [DATA FILE MISSING]

 

While the dead ships caused minimal damage to the fleet –mostly directed towards the grand cruisers- the Lord Admiral [DATA FILE MISSING] was surprised when an elder fleet hailed the fleet and ordered them to turn around. The Admiral flatly rejected it, claiming humanitys’ rightly place and opened fire on the Eldar. Slowly, but surely, the fleet managed to push the elder fleet back and launched ground forces to the first planet named CB-10. What followed was a bloody campaign waged by both sides; while the eldar performed their hit and run attacks, the Imperial Guard held fast and slowly pushed, taking ground and eventually taking over FG-142.

 

Once a foothold had been taken in the now designated system “CB-1”, a call for reinforcements was sent to the forces of the Liber Cluster. While the Imperial Navy sent more cruisers to aid in the space battles, the most notable aid came from the Scarlet Sentinels with 3 companies under the command of Captain [DATA FILE MISSING]. Once these reinforcements came, the Imperial began to push much more harshly into the system, the Sentinels’ performing successful surprise attacks onto the eldars’ fleet, sending them reeling with every assault.

 

Once the Imperium had gained control of eight out of the ten planets in the system, they received a message warning the humans that they had brought doom on themselves and left the system, leaving the last two planets before the Imperium Fleet reached them. As soon as they had realised that the elder hadn’t lied about leaving, all Imperial forces declared victory and celebrated for the day. The captain of the Scarlet Sentinels’ was given the title “Bane of Eldar” while the Lord Admiral was given command of Battlegroup Reclaimer for his involvedment along with his fleet in aiding the Imperium. Little did they know that the Eldar were not wrong about their doom…

 

Establishment

 

http://i.imgur.com/CjEfMyB.jpg

 

The Imperium consolidated their position in the surrounding systems, founding colonies and sending out research teams to study mysterious pieces of technology found. Notable locations through the systems include CB1-9 and CB3-10 formally known as “Reclaimers’ End” and “Besaine”, Maiden worlds where most of alien technology has been found. CB2-8 “Ships’ Fall” is a notable exception, having no official colony and more the home of scavengers due to the planet holding the biggest ship graveyard created during the Eldar war even though the planet has been designated “Quarantined”  by the Inquisition as a result of dead elder ships in the area. Planet CB1-1 was claimed by the Adeptus Ministorum for being the first planet conquered by the Imperium in the system and so was named “Aquila Rise”. CB1-3 was turned into a massive shipyard, built to give repairs and maintenance to any passing ships, with CB- 4 was turned into a Mining World to support said shipyards. CB2-5 and CB3-6 are considered Agri-worlds with trade going between the system and into the Cluster. CB2-2 was declared a Dead World by the Imperium during the Eldar War though it has been thought that a Watch Fortress along with a facility have been established on the world due to the nature of the rare alien technology found within the system. CB1-7 named “Aquilas’ Reach” quickly developed into a Hive World with all traces of Eldar structure on the surface replaced with the architecture seen across the Imperium. Finally CB-4 was named “Sandbox” due to the planet being covered in mountains and sand.

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As some of you may or may not have noticed, I was fiddling about with my sig for five minutes. This'll do for the time being. :wink:

 

 

Took me some messing around with, too. But I'm not sure how you did your double column. I ended up 'forging' my own in a way, but it's not as neat looking as yours.

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I can easily imagine some of the Liber Chapters on less-than-friendly terms with the Sentinels *coughcoughconflagratorscough* lying to the Eagles about a Sentinel fleet off to some huge battle as a means of simultaneously making the Eagles leave them alone AND driving the Sentinels bonkers as a bonus. :biggrin.:

 

That's TOTALLY something the Conflagrators would do. How very troll of them. I'm sure they'd say a few quick Ave Imperiams to absolve the sin, of course. 

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