[HH1.0] Iron Warriors Tactics

[Slips]

Well, for one, Tyrants are Shooty Terminators not Combat Terminators. Don't waste a Spartan on them meaning you waste turns shooting with them.

[Gorgoff]

I wouldn't put Tyrants in a Spartan. They have to shoot from start and not drive around in a fancy car. ;)

 

By the way: could someone explain to me why so many players think that putting Breachers onto an objective is a good idea?

[Slips]

I wouldn't put Tyrants in a Spartan. They have to shoot from start and not drive around in a fancy car.

 

By the way: could someone explain to me why so many players think that putting Breachers onto an objective is a good idea?

1. They Score.
2. You give them Graviton Guns which are Heavy = you don't want to move
3. They're marginally tougher than Tac Squads and Have Defensive Grenades
4. They have -1" to Run and Charge which stacks with any other modifiers.
5. They're not an Aggro Combat Unit

[Gorgoff]

But you get twice as many Tacticals for their point costs, which have more firepower and more wounds.

[Reyner]

Rule of Cool? 

[Monstra Sumus]

Pretty much rule of cool for me.

 

That's fair, something didn't feel right about it as they are a static shooty unit but I didn't want the Tyrants being the only non-mounted unit. I could always move those to the defensive list and take more troop Terminators and a Sicaran to go with the predators.

[Charlo]

But you get twice as many Tacticals for their point costs, which have more firepower and more wounds.

 

More firepower is subjective - they don't get special weapons like Breachers, which as Slips Mentioned, Grav is pretty damn useful.

 

I'm not one to "waste" 80% of a unit's shooting by equipping it with a tank buster weapon when the rest of them have bolters, but for Breachers it works.

[Brofist]

But you get twice as many Tacticals for their point costs, which have more firepower and more wounds.

 

I've mostly replaced my tac squads with breachers. First thing to note, our league prices them lower, so that definitely helps. I wouldn't use them otherwise.

 

That said, they're just a good defensive unit. They die slower than regular marines against dedicated CC units, tarpit well for melee, can challenge dreadnoughts, get special weapons, and the sergeant can take breaching charges for challenges.

[Charlo]

Breachers with an Apothecary getting two 5+ saves against plasma and such is pretty awesome.

[Caillum]

Breachers FTW. All the reasons above are valid. I understand that they are not always cost-effective, but they offer something other than a cheap Scoring unit.

 

In relation to Iron Warriors, they can also leave the Vexilla at home and save 15 points, which is nice.

[Doctor Perils]

Also, I believe the updated Crusade Army list has been put up on FW, so Breachers might be getting a boost :)

[Charlo]

Fingers crossed.

[Gorgoff]

Rule of Cool?

 

 Nailed it.

 

Also, I believe the updated Crusade Army list has been put up on FW, so Breachers might be getting a boost :)

  

Fingers crossed.

What he says. ;)

[Vaz]

Thread up;

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/

 

Curious to what people think these changes do for IW lists.

 

Javelin's feel like an auto include even if the legion rules dont help them a tonne.

[Charlo]

Support squads can buy an additional CCW now.

 

So in HoO you can rapid fire yo plasma then charge in with two attacks each!

[Flint13]

^If you don't put yourself out of charge range with that plasma fusillade, you deserve those two attack :lol:

[Brofist]

What are our best options for interceptor and defending against out-flankers/deep strikers in an Armoured Breakthrough list?

[Charlo]

Deredeo/ Mortis dread probably.

 

Or Havocs with an Apothecary.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Charlo

[Gorgoff]

Hey boys and girls. ;)

Since it is now possible to take a Stormlord, a model I like pretty much, I wonder how to put it to good use?

I guess its biggist advantage is her huge transport ability and being open topped.

So, what would you put in there?

[Shaolin_Monkey]

10 tyrants and 10 assault terms. Cos only half can shoot out.

Plus rule of cool. Just don't let it get shot!

[Charlo]

Why are you taking a Stormlord when you can take Perturabo and his party bus? :D

 

But if you had to I suppose Terminators are the way forward for sure.

[Shaolin_Monkey]

Alternatively 20 Iron Havoks could all shoot out each turn I guess. Then just some terms in case anyone gets close.

 

It really is an all eggs in one basket deal no matter what you put in it though.

[Flint13]

^The idea of a Stormlord is solid.

 

I used to run one pretty regularly in my Solar Aux. But when you pile a ton of stuff into it, you're essentially turning every game into whether or not your opponent can blow it up before you can repair it or kill everything. B/c when it blows, you can count on losing everything inside. 

 

It's fun for a couple of games, but it gets old fast. 

[Gorgoff]

Alternatively 20 Iron Havoks could all shoot out each turn I guess. Then just some terms in case anyone gets close.

It really is an all eggs in one basket deal no matter what you put in it though.

Unfortunately you can only shoot from the back.

[Charlo]

 

Alternatively 20 Iron Havoks could all shoot out each turn I guess. Then just some terms in case anyone gets close.

It really is an all eggs in one basket deal no matter what you put in it though.

Unfortunately you can only shoot from the back.

 

 

...That can't be right surely?

 

It counts as open topped for shooting right? Open topped for everything except damage rolls.