Guiltysparc Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Ya, 30k graviton vs vehicals is all about the haywire effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) So what are people running as HQ choices if we don't take a named character? Also what HQ should we stay away from. And finally could someone pm me a super abbreviated version of the special character generation stuff from book 4 I think it is debating if I want to use those or something else I can scrounge online for a campaign a few friends are asking my help to run. Edited March 1, 2016 by Nova_chron Ruinstorm 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Even avoiding special characters, our basic Praetors are money. They have a host of offensive special rules on the charge that other legions just can't match, plus that sweet +1WS in challenges. The only time I've had an issue is bouncing off an Eternal Warrior Salamander Cataphractii Praetor. If you're looking for more utility with only very slightly less hitting power, the Forge Lord is a great investment too. Our despoilers will make a dent in anything. More so when whatever they're charging is at -1 toughness from Rad Grenades and with a half dozen extra attacks from the Forge Lord. Fangbanger 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Remember, a Cataphractii Forge Lord w/ Cyber Familiar has a 3++ save yo!~ Charlo 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Yeah I learned the hard way on a praetor paragon is the only way to go after testing a power/chainfist going at I1 sucks against another praetor Forge lord has me tempted to run with a butcher squad Fangbanger 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Never even considered that, that's brutal. This would make all thier attacks wound on a 2 against similar, and soon to have re-roll 1's to wound. Couple this with hatred and they suddenly become even more teryfying than I thought possible... To the modelling desk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Haha happy to have scratched that itch fangbanger throw up some pics when you get them built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I find this topic very interesting indeed... I might be mistaken, but isn't the only tactic the World Eaters employ to charge forward with an Axe waiving in the air? ;-) Lord Asvaldir 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I find this topic very interesting indeed... I might be mistaken, but isn't the only tactic the World Eaters employ to charge forward with an Axe waiving in the air? ;-) Yes but How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I find this topic very interesting indeed... I might be mistaken, but isn't the only tactic the World Eaters employ to charge forward with an Axe waiving in the air? ;-) Yes but How? With furious Zeal? :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I ordered my second Spartan today. Now all I need is 3 more attack bikes and I will have all the models needed to run: HQ Chaplain (with gribblies) Gahlan Surlak Troops 20x Despoilers. Sarges all AA, Pfist, MBs Elites Apothecary, AA Fast Attack 3x Attack Bike 3x Attack Bike (both with MMs & MBs) Heavy Support 2x Spartan - FS & AC Deredeo - AC & Aiolos LoW Angryron - Crimson Path 2.5k points of brutal butchery *does a happy dance* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) I find this topic very interesting indeed... I might be mistaken, but isn't the only tactic the World Eaters employ to charge forward with an Axe waiving in the air? ;-) Yes but How? With furious Zeal? :-PHuh, you'd think it wouldn't work so well on the Ultrabros if it was that simple. But hey, that's how the Index Astartes got its practical roots right? Live and learn. Or... um... maybe not so much... :/ Edited March 2, 2016 by Flint13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I find this topic very interesting indeed... I might be mistaken, but isn't the only tactic the World Eaters employ to charge forward with an Axe waiving in the air? ;-) Yes but How? With furious Zeal? :-PHuh, you'd think it wouldn't work so well on the Ultrabros if it was that simple. But hey, that's how the Index Astartes got its practical roots right? Live and learn. Or... um... maybe not so much... :/ *Looks at assault on Armatura* seems it worked just fine here. ;) but yes it's all about HOW you charge waving your chain axes Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TompiQ Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Concerning the Praetor loadout question earlier, I've been mulling over a potential build for when Angry McMad's not tagging along. Or just as extra overkill in his squad, because I really want to bring Angron to ALL THE GAMES. Anyway, this seems close to the optimal build? Legion Praetor: Paragon Blade, Charnabal Sabre, Iron Halo, Digital Lasers 175pts That's 8 S5ap2 attacks on the charge, at WS6 I5. I'm contemplating whether having him in the same squad as Angron, Gahlan Surlak and a Forge Lord with rad grenades is overkill or GLORIOUS OVERKILL. Is it worth the 10 points to give him a fist instead of the sabre, to get the option of S8 attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Haha that's a lot of overkill my thoughts on the I1 weapons are fairly self explanatory keep them away from other paragon blades... it looks like a lot of fun to play that unit but I also cringe putting so many characters into one unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Charnabal sabre isn't a Specialist Weapon, so that's only 7 on the charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 But surely if Angron is off the field Khârn is an auto include? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Even avoiding special characters, our basic Praetors are money. They have a host of offensive special rules on the charge that other legions just can't match, plus that sweet +1WS in challenges. The only time I've had an issue is bouncing off an Eternal Warrior Salamander Cataphractii Praetor. I wouldn't go that far. If we're talking challenges or devastating charges, the Emperor's Children may have a bone to pick with your assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 A Preferred Enemy Alpha Legion, Eternal Warrior 3++ Salamander or Invisibility Buffed Word Bearer Praetor is also up there. Fangbanger 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Even avoiding special characters, our basic Praetors are money. They have a host of offensive special rules on the charge that other legions just can't match, plus that sweet +1WS in challenges. The only time I've had an issue is bouncing off an Eternal Warrior Salamander Cataphractii Praetor. I wouldn't go that far. If we're talking challenges or devastating charges, the Emperor's Children may have a bone to pick with your assertion. A black shield chymeriae reaver Lord all tooled up might have something to say as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Even avoiding special characters, our basic Praetors are money. They have a host of offensive special rules on the charge that other legions just can't match, plus that sweet +1WS in challenges. The only time I've had an issue is bouncing off an Eternal Warrior Salamander Cataphractii Praetor. I wouldn't go that far. If we're talking challenges or devastating charges, the Emperor's Children may have a bone to pick with your assertion. They can pick all the bones they like after scraping three of their Praetors off the axe of my WE Echelon Commander :/ Even when I didn't get the charge, Hatred was more than enough to put him on top. Rage, hatred, furious charge and WS7 was plenty to get stuff done before our update. It's only gotten better since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 The best way an EC character could take a world eater would be to use thier relic and tank the blows with a 2++, then hope thier squad wins combat. Which probably isn't likely if they didn't get the charge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Plus Butcher models make for the sexiest Praetors. Also on Charnabal sabres, I'm pretty sure the +1I doesn't apply unless you attack with it. It's not a base improvement of the statline - or so I recall? So it's pretty pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Plus Butcher models make for the sexiest Praetors. Also on Charnabal sabres, I'm pretty sure the +1I doesn't apply unless you attack with it. It's not a base improvement of the statline - or so I recall? So it's pretty pointless. Yes, you don't get the initiative unless you fight with it. The rules state "user" not "armed with" for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Yeah, no INIT+1 when attacking with the Paragon Blade in the aforementioned setup. If it weren't such a points sink, one could always do a Praetor w. Power Fist, Paragon Blade and Digi Lasers, granting him +1 A for two specialist weapons and +1 A for the lasers. He could then choose to dish out STR+1 AP2 attacks at initiative, or STRx2 AP2 going last (unwieldy). Expensive though, like I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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