knife&fork Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 You can snap fire with every heavy weapon except the plasma cannon. Was kinda inevitable that the claws would get nerfed, as said by others just too good and doesn't fit in with the current meta. Too good?! Blender dreads are only OP on paper. The DC fist dread was generally a lot more useful, claw dreads almost never worked and the few times you got off a long kill streak it didn't really make up for all the games where it did nothing but eat a melta or some bolter shots on its rear AV. It was fun unit, but it hasn't been 'good' since 5th. :) Depending on stats and how they are priced DC dreads could still be viable but it's definitely not a unit that needed a nerf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 You can snap fire with every heavy weapon except the plasma cannon. Template weapons can't fire snap shots, can they? Apart from flamers I mean. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 You can snap fire with every heavy weapon except the plasma cannon. Template weapons can't fire snap shots, can they? Apart from flamers I mean. Well you can't snap fire a heavy flamer, but since it's an assault weapon that's rarely going to be an issue. ML on the other hand can snap fire krak or flakk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 You can snap fire with every heavy weapon except the plasma cannon. Was kinda inevitable that the claws would get nerfed, as said by others just too good and doesn't fit in with the current meta. Too good?! Blender dreads are only OP on paper. The DC fist dread was generally a lot more useful, claw dreads almost never worked and the few times you got off a long kill streak it didn't really make up for all the games where it did nothing but eat a melta or some bolter shots on its rear AV. It was fun unit, but it hasn't been 'good' since 5th. Depending on stats and how they are priced DC dreads could still be viable but it's definitely not a unit that needed a nerf. I totally agree. While blender claws were fun to run, let's be honest, they rarely lived up to their potential. While it was theoretically possible to drop 12 wounds on some poor schmucks, most of the time the claws just resulted in 4-5 wounds. And if you were unfortunate enough to be assaulted by a 2+ unit, you were stuck. I like the rumored changes, although it will be interesting to see how they are differentiated from blood fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I like the rumored changes, although it will be interesting to see how they are differentiated from blood fists. My guess is that blood fists will go away entirely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I like the rumored changes, although it will be interesting to see how they are differentiated from blood fists. My guess is that blood fists will go away entirely. Nah. I think Blood Talons won't be available to all Dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I like the rumored changes, although it will be interesting to see how they are differentiated from blood fists. My guess is that blood fists will go away entirely. Blood fists will go away because they will be switched to powerfists just like every other marine dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 So for the last 3-4 days I think I have been checking this forum, faeit, bols and a few Fb groups every 30mins! You know just in case there is some new info! It's all pretty exciting. I definitely don't have a problem because it's only for the BA release, anyone else finding checking for updates irresistible? Oh and any other news/rumour sites I should check to stay up to date? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 So for the last 3-4 days I think I have been checking this forum, faeit, bols and a few Fb groups every 30mins! You know just in case there is some new info! It's all pretty exciting. I definitely don't have a problem because it's only for the BA release, anyone else finding checking for updates irresistible? Oh and any other news/rumour sites I should check to stay up to date? Raises hand. My wife has even yelled at me for looking at 40K stuff too much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 So for the last 3-4 days I think I have been checking this forum, faeit, bols and a few Fb groups every 30mins! You know just in case there is some new info! It's all pretty exciting. I definitely don't have a problem because it's only for the BA release, anyone else finding checking for updates irresistible? Oh and any other news/rumour sites I should check to stay up to date? Raises hand. My wife has even yelled at me for looking at 40K stuff too much. Mine, too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillslam Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Same here. Excited (but still new to this), and as for the wife... well it was more a roll of the eyes than a yell. +1 in for additional sites to check for info/commentary Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 So for the last 3-4 days I think I have been checking this forum, faeit, bols and a few Fb groups every 30mins! You know just in case there is some new info! It's all pretty exciting. I definitely don't have a problem because it's only for the BA release, anyone else finding checking for updates irresistible? Oh and any other news/rumour sites I should check to stay up to date? :mellow: Raises hand. My wife has even yelled at me for looking at 40K stuff too much. Mine, too! Well glad I'm not the only 1, and after spending time looking at captain karlaen Hess starting to grow on me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 The missus has respected me so far (or ignored me :)), but I'm definitely guilty of pressing F5 way too often as of late. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 My gut feeling is that Claws will be default DC Dread weapons and Furiosos will only have fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 They can't do that to people that have already modelled their dreads worth the other option, though. I reckon claws are either all we get, or a paid upgrade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 So the wife is on the verge of throwing my phone out the window, because it vibrates every time I get BA messages and updates through. However, it's my birthday today so she's easing up a bit, despite explaining to her that it's a very exciting time to be red-coloured nerd... she just rolled her eyes. Looking like it's going to be quite a costly time too. Deathstorm ordered and I actually quite like Karlean. Definitely grabbing a box or two of the new Tac kit, which looks brilliant btw, and I think the wife and son got me a relic Sicaran... So lots of painting to do methinks. Other thoughts: Talons - a shame but to be expected. Won't stop me from fielding DC Dreads though. Grapple - points not withstanding, this does feel like a bit of a lame change. Original rules were fun and quite situational, but I seldom ran grapples so won't really miss them. Quickening - could be quite good and synergistic. DC/Honour Termies - if true, the HG version could be quite interesting, and despite the fluff discussion I could probably come around to running DC in TDA, however... current Termies can be pretty woeful for the points now, so these new units would have to have a notable boon to make them regular inclusions. The painting/modelling possibilities should be good though, coupled with Space Hulk conversions etc. Dante re-sculpt - always welcome but I still want to see what they could do with a new Mephiston. Overall, I already feel quite spoilt as a Blood Angel, and there's still potentially more to come. Whatever it may be, and as Mort said, "don't care, got a new Codex!" :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 They can't do that to people that have already modelled their dreads worth the other option, though. I reckon claws are either all we get, or a paid upgrade You speak as if GW never invalidated a codex option before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen IX Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Everytime I go on this forum all I want to post is, stupidly excited! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I guess I'm one of the few who's wife is merely amused at my BA-mania. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I guess I'm one of the few who's wife is merely amused at my BA-mania. Mine is actually helping me with painting my red toys to ease my anxiety. I have the best wife in the world. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Captain Karlean WS6 @150pts Terminator Armour with Iron Halo, Storm Bolter - Relic of Baal: Melee, Concussive, Master-crafted, Specialist Weapon, Unwieldy. - Strategic Genius: +1 seize the initiative, and can re-roll any reserve roll This is from bols. Not bad for the points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen IX Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Strategic genius? That sounds like Dante's forte Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 *looks at all of the shiny BA-goodness* *sigh* I wonder if I can get a donation going for me. Cause that's the only way I'm going to afford half of this. That, or donating more plasma. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH1_H1QpbA8 at the end is the pic of the cover art, it's heavily darkened but.. assault marine with plasma pistol.. it looks pretty cool:)... actually no yellow helmet.. possibly a captain:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Somewhat sad about the BA primaris if the rumor is correct. Hope it gives fleet to the whole unit. New codex spells have generally been weaker compared to BRB so guess this is to be expected. Blood Talons going away not a huge issue, since there are so many ways to deal with infantry. Curious if the new Furioso will get rampage or something similar to compensate for loss of attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/9/#findComment-3875827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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