[HH1.0] The Sons of Barbarus : A Death Guard Tactica Thread

[Charlo]

This might have been addressed somewhere else, but can Deathshroud be my compulsory HQ choice?

 

Yes :)

[Leman Russ SW]

Yeah they can but you won't be able to run a rite of war unless you have Mortarian 

[Ishagu]

Deathshroud as the HQ is such a cool shtick with the Death Guard. Fantastic unit at a great points value.

[CaptainBoxman]

Scwheet. I was getting annoyed by having to dump points into arbitrary HQs for RoW. Reaping makes everything slow and doesn't seem to work well for mass infantry (in my mind), Creeping Death requires 2 HQs for a 5+ save (nice for blobs) and little else, and PotL feels like you need loads of vets and terminators or you'll lose those VPs real easy.

 

I would like Typhus, except he slows the Deathshroud down loads too

Edited November 8, 2016 by CaptainBoxman

[Caillum]

Calas Typhon is "Master of the Grave Wardens", and he wears Cataphractii armour, so he fits with them pretty well! I do know what you mean about those 3 Rites of War, but it's how you construct the entire list that makes them work.

 

"Pride of the Legion" is very strong, as you have many different Terminators to choose from. Grave Wardens are still Heavy Support, but Cataphractii, Tartaros and Deathshroud all count as Troops! Chem-munition Marksmen Veterans are also brilliant. Such strong Infantry choices gets around PotL's biggest issue: making sure you have more units with Legiones Astartes than units without it.

 

"The Reaping" is kinda the opposite, where you want transports for every unit (due to the inability to Run). Rad grenades make combat more effective for you, and you have a lot of Heavy Support available (as you can take HSS's as non-compulsory Troops). Again, look at chem-munition Marksmen Veterans (who are also non-compulsory Troops).

 

"Creeping Death" is subtle, but cool. Depending on your local scene/players, you might get a lot out of it. Durak Rask really should count as a Siege Breaker for the requirements, lowering the cost of entry. And if you have a board with lots of natural terrain, then Bio-phage Bombardment is nifty. Take Vigilators for increased cover saves and a Scout move, and you have a decent force.

[Charlo]

If Rask did count I'd be taking him in Creeping Death for sure.

 

The main issue with CD is that the Bombarment is just 99% useless as hardly any boards have biological features.

 

Though, at a decent campaign where you have a variety of boards it could be very funny on some games "oh look your entire board is dangerous terrain... FOR YOU."

[CaptainBoxman]

Just posting a quick idea I've been fiddling around with on Battlescribe on break at work

2000 points, no ROW

Deathshroud in Land Raider as HQ (435)
2x 10 man in rhinos - (Sarge with artificer and melta bomb, 185 each squad)
3x Quad mortars (shatter) - 210
Kheres Mortis -180
Grave Wardens in Land Raider (2 chainfists) - 435
Sicaran Venator -190

180 points left over for something, maybe another tac squad?

Is this list going to get mashed because of low body count, OR is 2 LRs and strong Terminator units going to be real handy at 2000 points? Venator and LRs deny tanks and pop transports, Kheres and Quads shred up infantry and transports, rhino dudes hold objectives nicely, Terminators are assault nightmares for all kinds of dudes

[Ishagu]

Hmmm, perhaps a Plasma Support Squad in a Rhino if you can find some points for it? Edited November 8, 2016 by Ishagu

[CaptainBoxman]

AA isn't a huge worry in my meta, I don't know anyone with aircraft at all! I'll consider it for sure though.

 

I'm more worried about how the current composition looks and whether I'll get squashed!

Edited November 8, 2016 by CaptainBoxman

[Ishagu]

Yeah, I noticed you have a Kheres Mortis, my bad.

[CaptainBoxman]

Anything else I might do? The only things I can really drop down on are sarges on the Tacs and chainfists on the Grave Wardens without losing a unit somewhere

[Charlo]

If you have 180 points you could always add in another heavy support choice. Whirlwind Scorpius would be pretty brutal. Then pop some pintle multi-meltas on vehicles for some extra fun.

[DuskRaider]

BTW, FW confirmed (via FB, so take that as you will) that Deathshroud can take any pattern Terminator armour and use it's rules as long as the models are properly representing said choice.

[Nova_chron]

BTW, FW confirmed (via FB, so take that as you will) that Deathshroud can take any pattern Terminator armour and use it's rules as long as the models are properly representing said choice.

Curse you forgeworld making me want to start a second legion before I've even gotten close to finishing a first!!! That is some amazing news.

[Cryptix]

I'm a loyalist, and Creeping Death looks so cool, but it's Traitor only!

Just like Molestation and Typhon. ALL THE GOOD STUFF ISN'T FOR LOYALISTS. *sniff sniff*

What do I do!

Also how would you guys make a 2000 point list with Night Lord (loyalist!) allies?

[Charlo]

BTW, FW confirmed (via FB, so take that as you will) that Deathshroud can take any pattern Terminator armour and use it's rules as long as the models are properly representing said choice.

 

Source? I was campaigning for the a while back... Any proof would be lovely. I want my Cataphractii with Scythes!

[Lord Asvaldir]

I'm a loyalist, and Creeping Death looks so cool, but it's Traitor only!

Just like Molestation and Typhon. ALL THE GOOD STUFF ISN'T FOR LOYALISTS. *sniff sniff*

What do I do!

Also how would you guys make a 2000 point list with Night Lord (loyalist!) allies?

That's how it works for traitor legions, most of their good stuff goes to the alliegence that most of the legion follows. Same deal for loyalists.

 

As for NL allies terror assault is a perfect RoW for an allied army, since the one heavy slot doesn't matter for an allied foc. Grab 2 terror squads, anot hq to unlock the rite and whatever else you want to take. Only downside is your DG forces don't have night vision so suffer from the night fight terror assault forces.

[LtDan]

I'm running nightlords allies. Dg main force then use either pride or terror for the nl.

[LtDan]

Dg running reaping btw

[CaptainBoxman]

Managed to snag Mortarion on eBay lastnight for £30! Not a recast!!!

[IronDrake28]

Managed to snag Mortarion on eBay lastnight for £30! Not a recast!!!

Lucky sod! :P

[Cryptix]

Managed to snag Mortarion on eBay lastnight for £30! Not a recast!!!

The Blood Ravens will be visiting you later...

[Terminus]

I'm running nightlords allies. Dg main force then use either pride or terror for the nl.

Not sure how useful Terror Assault is without night fighting, since none of your stuff will have night vision (including the Night Lords amusingly).

[Lord Asvaldir]

Yeah, that sure is strange, but true given how the night vision rule is worded for NLs. I guess if you really want to use terror squads it's a useful allied detachment, otherwise it doesn't bring much to the table. 

[LtDan]

@terminus yeah my original plan was terror assault as I've already built two squads but the no NV if there allies is annoying. Thinking pride for them maybe a better idea. Want them all podding or teleporting in to make up for the slow moving reaping dg.