WWGO - HH news (update: Tempest leaks - page 26!)

[Balthamal]

 

 

cannot infiltrate or deep strike so no drop pods

 

Regarding the Deep Strike and Infiltrate limitations, does this apply to the entire army ? Or just to specific units that can't be given that option ?

 

 

No unit can deploy by the above methods so drop pods are out straight away. Terminators can't deploy via deep strike but can as normal so they're ok. If any units HAVE to deploy via infiltrate/deep strike then they're strictly off limits

[Jolemai]

When this diorama came out, it was rumoured that there's a Marine taking an photo of the battle with an iPad. Did anyone ever see that and/or take a picture of it?

[GreyCrow]

Okay, thanks for the precision !

 

So, when using that ROW, an Ultramarines army must go for superior long range firepower mainly, mobility second. Using the Master of Signals to prevent anyone getting close, and moving up while supporting the force with fire support. Makes sense !

[TemujinZero]

 

 

Gulliman's statline is good I'd say, as in it's the Primarch average across the board whilst his weapons are on a par with pretty much all the other Primarchs (as in the Talon) is still the best but he's not exactly swinging with sticks. He's not the combat monster that Horus/Angron/Curze are or a tank like Vulkan/Ferrus/Mortarion but as a buffer he's supreme with an army wide leadership bump, successful sieze's have to be rerolled and he can tailor specific squads/squadrons incredibly well which fits into his character. I honestly don't know why some people were expecting him to be an absolute boss in hand to hand when that's never been his thing, of course he'll chew through bolter marines, because he's a Primarch. Against others? Lorgar almost got killed by a Contemptor and Gulliman himself almost got taken down by numbers so he's both effective and fluffy imo

 

 

In my cursory estimation, Horus and Angron will likely beat Guilliman. Fulgrim, Curze and Corax are too close for me to call without calculating it. He will probably come out on top against Mortarion, Ferrus Manus, Vulkan, Lorgar, Perturabo, Alpharius and Dorn.

 

I may have over- or underestimated a stat or a rule here and there. And generally it seems pretty close. Everyone has either a 4+ or 3+ invulnerable save and some powerful weapon. Guilliman has an interesting WS mechanic, two good weapons, a save worse than 3+ but slightly better than 4+, which make him very capable, even though his toughness, wounds, initiative and attacks are average.

 

 

Horus and Angron would definitely beat him whilst I'd strongly lean towards Curze due to the higher initiative and the fact he can hit and run to prevent Gulliman stacking up on WS the longer the fight goes on. Fulgrim/Corax/Alpharius are reasonably close together whilst Lorgar isn't great (unless he's rocking his psychic boosted version and he's loaded up on blessings) and the others are more tank-like so whilst they'd do a fine job of soaking up the damage how much they'd inflict in return is in the lap of the dice gods. 

 

But yeah I wouldn't expect Gulliman to be trampling through most of the Primarchs who've got rules already let alone the few we're still waiting on who are all going to be extremely potent

 

I've only examined Alpharius' chances in any detail, but Guilliman stomps him pretty reliably.  This is partly due to Alpharius having costly rules like armourbane and instant death that get him nowhere in a primarch duel, but also because Guilliman's equipment is fantastic.  S7 AP2 shred vastly outshines S6 AP2 preferred enemy.  The clincher is Guilliman's armour though.  The secret of primarch duels once you've math-hammered enough of them is that they're mostly boring stalemates that see roughly one unsaved wound each per assault phase, with one side scraping ahead statistically after several game turns.  This is no less true here, with both primarchs doing very close to one wound on average per phase after invulnerable saves.  The difference here is that Guilliman's armour gives him another 4+ roll on the first wound he takes, which in most cases will be the only wound that got through.  This is enough to put pretty clear water between the two, the major caveat being that you'd still have to get into combat very early in the game to have a reasonable chance of seeing any outcome.  Once you get to turn 3/4, you can start to get pretty confident that any primarch duel will last longer than the game, outside of the top tier duellists.  In fact, even the likes of Sigismund can pretty reliably tie up most primarchs for the last few turns of a game.

[spu00sed]

It is a shame that they haven't been reduced in the size of its blast. It is an anti Titan weapon, not a destroy entire section of the battle field.

[Kol Saresk]

Well considering what it takes to kill a Titan.......

[Reyner]

Pretty sure they could throw some stuff together worth 2750 points to take the warlord on.. Then again 6 (might be more since I was more interested in the story and Ultramarines stuff in Book 5 but I can verify later on) void shields and 30 HP with all those guns should be fun to watch

[AlphariusOmegon108]

All of the peeps who gave us updates and pics daily: Thanks so much! Got me hyped ALOT!

[Jolemai]

I think it's more that the updated Titan rules possibly don't apply to their Revenant and Phantom Titans...

 

Meanwhile, are the "new" Warhound and Reaver rules in Tempest simply the updated rules from that arrived with the Warlord?

[Son of Carnelian]

Not impressed with Sigismund at all. Very disappointing. He's not bald. He's described as having hair, every time he's described.

Think about how he'll actually look when people start painting him, though. Pretty much everyone will give him a helmet, and he'll start looking like one of the coolest models ever made.

I'm definitely sticking a helmet on him, no offense to Forge World. Keep that head for a squad leader or somesuch.

[depthcharge12]

Not impressed with Sigismund at all. Very disappointing. He's not bald. He's described as having hair, every time he's described.

Think about how he'll actually look when people start painting him, though. Pretty much everyone will give him a helmet, and he'll start looking like one of the coolest models ever made.

I'm definitely sticking a helmet on him, no offense to Forge World. Keep that head for a squad leader or somesuch.

TBH it looks identical to the UM upgrade bare helmeted head.

I was imagining him with a more Turkish ancestry with a possible mustache. Kinda like Ali Karim Bey from James Bond FRWL (though I stole his name for a DA Legion terminator sgt :D)

[Ishagu]

Going back to the Primarch I'd say he's top 4 in combat, but one of the very best when it comes to boosting an army. Imagine 3 Sicarans with Tank Hunter for example, or multiple heavy/special weapon teams with Interceptor for free!

As for the the Legion rules - I'm a big fan! They're not the best, but they reflect a very professional force that works cohesively. The 40k Ultras reflect more of a jack of all trades vibe than the super pro soldiers in Tempest.

[Flint13]

Not impressed with Sigismund at all. Very disappointing. He's not bald. He's described as having hair, every time he's described.

Think about how he'll actually look when people start painting him, though. Pretty much everyone will give him a helmet, and he'll start looking like one of the coolest models ever made.

I'm definitely sticking a helmet on him, no offense to Forge World. Keep that head for a squad leader or somesuch.

TBH it looks identical to the UM upgrade bare helmeted head.

I was imagining him with a more Turkish ancestry with a possible mustache. Kinda like Ali Karim Bey from James Bond FRWL (though I stole his name for a DA Legion terminator sgt )

Same here, Depth.

The second someone photoshops a little Jesse Ventura 'stache on him, I'm sold.

[CommodusXIII]

[Flint13]

++ Guys, girls, I just flensed a half dozen off topic posts from this page alone. Keep it neat and tidy. Anything else nonconstructive or off topic will be gutted with ruthless (and enthusiastic) efficiency. Please and thanks! ++

[Legatus]

I was imagining him with a more Turkish ancestry with a possible mustache. Kinda like Ali Karim Bey from James Bond FRWL

 

 

Why on earth would you imagine a character called "Sigismund" who led an army styled after the teutonic knights to be of turkish ethnicity?

[Daemon2027]

 

I was imagining him with a more Turkish ancestry with a possible mustache. Kinda like Ali Karim Bey from James Bond FRWL

 

 

Why on earth would you imagine a character called "Sigismund" who led an army styled after the teutonic knights to be of turkish ethnicity?

Irony?

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

 

I was imagining him with a more Turkish ancestry with a possible mustache. Kinda like Ali Karim Bey from James Bond FRWL

 

 

Why on earth would you imagine a character called "Sigismund" who led an army styled after the teutonic knights to be of turkish ethnicity?

 

 

Becuase he's a giant post-human from space, and it'd be pretty much impossible to predict how different ethnic groups would change & disperse across the entire Galaxy?

 

Also: bored of innumerable caucasian guys?

[Atia]

 

 

I was imagining him with a more Turkish ancestry with a possible mustache. Kinda like Ali Karim Bey from James Bond FRWL

 

 

Why on earth would you imagine a character called "Sigismund" who led an army styled after the teutonic knights to be of turkish ethnicity?

 

 

Becuase he's a giant post-human from space, and it'd be pretty much impossible to predict how different ethnic groups would change & disperse across the entire Galaxy?

 

Also: bored of innumerable caucasian guys?

 

i don't know ... for me he always looked like a Space Marine version of Viggo Mortensen oO

[Remus Ventanus.]

 

 

 

I was imagining him with a more Turkish ancestry with a possible mustache. Kinda like Ali Karim Bey from James Bond FRWL

 

 

Why on earth would you imagine a character called "Sigismund" who led an army styled after the teutonic knights to be of turkish ethnicity?

 

 

Becuase he's a giant post-human from space, and it'd be pretty much impossible to predict how different ethnic groups would change & disperse across the entire Galaxy?

 

Also: bored of innumerable caucasian guys?

 

i don't know ... for me he always looked like a Space Marine version of Viggo Mortensen oO

 

Viggo mortensen from lord of the rings! :)

[depthcharge12]

 

I was imagining him with a more Turkish ancestry with a possible mustache. Kinda like Ali Karim Bey from James Bond FRWL

 

Why on earth would you imagine a character called "Sigismund" who led an army styled after the teutonic knights to be of turkish ethnicity?

I though I remember him in one of the stories originating from the Persian area on Terra...I'll look for it again but I swear that's what I thought.

 

Teutonic Knights were in the Middle East and around Constantinople if that might be any relation.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

 If you buy a figure, that entitles you to paint it or model it however you want. Helmet, blonde hair and pale skin, or mustacheod with dark hair and skin, have fun with it.

[Hyaenidae]

I just get bored of painting the same skin tone, so instead, I experiment with different tones for every model. Adds character to your army, and frankly, it makes sense in my case considering the IV scoops up recruits from anywhere they can.

[Slips]

I just get bored of painting the same skin tone, so instead, I experiment with different tones for every model. Adds character to your army, and frankly, it makes sense in my case considering the IV scoops up recruits from anywhere they can.

It would make sense for a few other legions too that perform +/- the same recruitment methods such as: World Eaters, Imperial Fists, Ultramarines (mostly due to recruitment pool), etc.

[depthcharge12]

Oh this is by no means a paint your skin this way kinda thing :) I just thought he was of Turkish descent