[HH1.0] 30k Space Wolves tactics

[Runefyre]

Probably 1W to balance the fact they all can have heavy weapons. Or else you'd just have superior Tyrants/ Fulmentarii...!

 

Plus they are great anyway

Obviously I haven't playtested them yet, but in my list-building exercises I haven't been able to spare the points to give a whole unit combi-weapons, let alone reapers.

Has anyone Mathammered Russ yet? I heard rumours that he beats every other primarch (barring Invisible Magnus) in a 1v1.

[Dantay VI]

Reaper autocannon, heavy flamer and what are the other hwavy weapons choices?

[Dantay VI]

If i gave them all heavy weapons wouldnt they be stupidly expensive?

Also with heavy weapons can yhey still shoot and assault?

Lastly what rules buffs beyond all heavy weapons do varangyr have thst make them great or on a par with other terminator units (grave wardens, butchers, justaerin, sekhmet for example)?

Do all other specialist terminator units have 2 wounds?

 

Not nitpicking but I am not a rules guy so genuinely curious.

Edited February 6, 2017 by dantay_xv

[Runefyre]

Reaper autocannon, heavy flamer and what are the other hwavy weapons choices?

Heavy flamer, reaper autocannon, combi-weapons, and additional frost weapon are the only replacements for varagyr combi-bolters.

[Runefyre]

If i gave them all heavy weapons wouldnt they be stupidly expensive?

Also with heavy weapons can yhey still shoot and assault?

Lastly what rules buffs beyond all heavy weapons do varangyr have thst make them great or on a par with other terminator units (grave wardens, butchers, justaerin, sekhmet for example)?

Do all other specialist terminator units have 2 wounds?

 

Not nitpicking but I am not a rules guy so genuinely curious.

-Yes, they are insanely expensive when kitted out with reapers (more expensive than Tyrants with cyclone missile launchers!).

-They have slow and purposeful (not really, but they have the spirit of the rule without excplicitly having it), so they can move and shoot at full BS, plus shoot and charge.

-Varagyr have a very gimmicky ability were if they charge more than 6", they get Str5 hammer of wrath. That coupled with Fear and the everyone can issue and accept challenges, and if the opposing challenger is defeated they get +1 to combat resolution.

 

All the good specialist terminators have 2W. Sekhmet look amazing and I know that Deathshroud, Justaerin, and Red Butchers are all very good units. I think it makes perfect sense for Varagyr to have 2W.

[Jarkaira]

^^^Gorgons are 1W :( Edited February 6, 2017 by Jarkaira

[Dantay VI]

Combi bolters are one shot specials then a standard bolter.

 

So a bit of a one trick pony deal. With a combi weapon. I thiught it was a suicide squad weapon (drop a unit in-combi something tasty- try not to die afterwards)

 

After that it is down to frost weapons? Which are ap3 or ao2 unwieldy so i1 like in 40k?

So power fists and chainfists are still better?

Edited February 6, 2017 by dantay_xv

[Runefyre]

Combi bolters are one shot specials then a standard bolter.

 

So a bit of a one trick pony deal. After tgat it is down to frost weapons? Which are ap3 or ao2 unwieldy so i1 like in 40k? So fists and chainfists are still better?

Fists are strictly better than Frost Axes for the same price. The frost weapons we have are very disappointing (except the great-sword)..

 

Combi-bolters are simply a twin-linked boltgun.

^^^Gorgons are 1W

I've always thought that is a travesty.

[Dantay VI]

Sorry meant combi weapon.

Great sword a 1 in 5 option?

[Baluc]

The best build for the Terms is 2 combat weapons and a dreadclaw, or Phobos. The unit would be 310 points geared for only combat with a cuss ton of attacks for terminators.

[Runefyre]

Sorry meant combi weapon.

Great sword a 1 in 5 option?

Varagyr don't even get Great Frost Swords

[Dantay VI]

Reapers are 2 shot str7 ap4 I think so why is ot superior to fulmentaris or tyrants which can pick missile type? And a fist is a better overall hand weapon and syill have combi bolter?

[Dantay VI]

Lastly what rules buffs beyond all heavy weapons do varangyr have thst make them great or on a par with other terminator units (grave wardens, butchers, justaerin, sekhmet for example)?

Do all other specialist terminator units have 2 wounds?

 

Not nitpicking but I am not a rules guy so genuinely curious.

Covered weapons but what about special rules and from quote above.

 

Ps would have loved to get justaerin multimeltas or plasma blasters for the varangyr ;)

Or the option for tartaros. But i can run standard tarts in the foc as elites yes?

Edited February 6, 2017 by dantay_xv

[The Native]

Regarding the Varagyr, it looks like the best way to run them is as a pure assault unit. Each one having a powerfist and a frost claw. Which will only add five more points per model in the squad.

[Dantay VI]

I got 30 termis to rip apart if that is the case:/ hmmm or just buy 30 more :D

[The Native]

So, Deathstar unit of Russ, Freki & Geri and 10 Varagyr with powerfists and Wolf claws riding in a Spartan?

[Robzilla]

I mentioned this in the SW's subforum, but do you guys think that Varagyr being 1W is a typo? We've already seen afew misprints in Inferno, and I find it wierd that Varagyr are basically the same price as Justaerin (with power fists) but with one less wound. I would LOVE it if they had 2W, it would turn them from a fluffy only choice into a consideration (at first glance mind you, I plan to playtest these guys alot).

 

edit: am I the only who keeps pronouncing Varagyr "viagra" in my head?

To be fair, the scan I have seen shows the sergeant to have two wounds, so I don't think 2w base is unlikely at all.

 

As awesome as that would make them as standard, they are expensive to load up with all the gear.

[Ranwulf]

 

I mentioned this in the SW's subforum, but do you guys think that Varagyr being 1W is a typo? We've already seen afew misprints in Inferno, and I find it wierd that Varagyr are basically the same price as Justaerin (with power fists) but with one less wound. I would LOVE it if they had 2W, it would turn them from a fluffy only choice into a consideration (at first glance mind you, I plan to playtest these guys alot).

 

edit: am I the only who keeps pronouncing Varagyr "viagra" in my head?

To be fair, the scan I have seen shows the sergeant to have two wounds, so I don't think 2w base is unlikely at all.

 

As awesome as that would make them as standard, they are expensive to load up with all the gear.

 

I was about to post this. I mean, how many other units have Sergeants with two wounds and the base unit with only one?

 

Ran

[N3rdhead]

 

I am a bit slow but if i run Wolves..... I have no choice but have Slayers as compulsary? No matter what?

Or is it the Wolf RoW which forces slayer to be compulsary?

Does orbital assault state certain units must be compulsary?

 

 

Its hard without the book in your hands its ok.

 

Basically Grey Slayers will always be compulsory troops as a Legion Rule. Any RoW that would bypass that won't work. Orbital assault works fine and is probably one of the better RoW for wolves, if you own enough Land Speeders, Javalins, Lightnings and Dreadnought Drop pods.

 

 

 

It means we can actually only use the follow RoW:

 

Pale Hunter

Bloodied Claw

Orbital Assault

Angel's Wrath (needs at least 2x Storm eagles or Dreadclaws)

Armoured Spearhead

Skyhunter Phalanx (needs at least 2x Storm eagles or Dreadclaws)

Outcast sons

Zone Mortalis Assault force

I dont think thats right, cuz Primarchs Chosen and Pride of the Legion make Vets and Termis compulsary troop choices, so does Leman Russ.

[Brofist]

 

 

I mentioned this in the SW's subforum, but do you guys think that Varagyr being 1W is a typo? We've already seen afew misprints in Inferno, and I find it wierd that Varagyr are basically the same price as Justaerin (with power fists) but with one less wound. I would LOVE it if they had 2W, it would turn them from a fluffy only choice into a consideration (at first glance mind you, I plan to playtest these guys alot).

 

edit: am I the only who keeps pronouncing Varagyr "viagra" in my head?

To be fair, the scan I have seen shows the sergeant to have two wounds, so I don't think 2w base is unlikely at all.

 

As awesome as that would make them as standard, they are expensive to load up with all the gear.

 

I was about to post this. I mean, how many other units have Sergeants with two wounds and the base unit with only one?

 

Ran

 

Command squads, for starters

[Baluc]

 

 

I am a bit slow but if i run Wolves..... I have no choice but have Slayers as compulsary? No matter what?

Or is it the Wolf RoW which forces slayer to be compulsary?

Does orbital assault state certain units must be compulsary?

 

Its hard without the book in your hands its ok.

 

Basically Grey Slayers will always be compulsory troops as a Legion Rule. Any RoW that would bypass that won't work. Orbital assault works fine and is probably one of the better RoW for wolves, if you own enough Land Speeders, Javalins, Lightnings and Dreadnought Drop pods.

 

 

 

It means we can actually only use the follow RoW:

 

Pale Hunter

Bloodied Claw

Orbital Assault

Angel's Wrath (needs at least 2x Storm eagles or Dreadclaws)

Armoured Spearhead

Skyhunter Phalanx (needs at least 2x Storm eagles or Dreadclaws)

Outcast sons

Zone Mortalis Assault force

I dont think thats right, cuz Primarchs Chosen and Pride of the Legion make Vets and Termis compulsary troop choices, so does Leman Russ.

 

 

That's pretty much the whole issue. If you take it too mean what you suggest the restriction is actually pointless since you can just RoW around it. 

[Coptimas]

 

 

 

I am a bit slow but if i run Wolves..... I have no choice but have Slayers as compulsary? No matter what?

Or is it the Wolf RoW which forces slayer to be compulsary?

Does orbital assault state certain units must be compulsary?

 

Its hard without the book in your hands its ok.

 

Basically Grey Slayers will always be compulsory troops as a Legion Rule. Any RoW that would bypass that won't work. Orbital assault works fine and is probably one of the better RoW for wolves, if you own enough Land Speeders, Javalins, Lightnings and Dreadnought Drop pods.

 

 

 

It means we can actually only use the follow RoW:

 

Pale Hunter

Bloodied Claw

Orbital Assault

Angel's Wrath (needs at least 2x Storm eagles or Dreadclaws)

Armoured Spearhead

Skyhunter Phalanx (needs at least 2x Storm eagles or Dreadclaws)

Outcast sons

Zone Mortalis Assault force

I dont think thats right, cuz Primarchs Chosen and Pride of the Legion make Vets and Termis compulsary troop choices, so does Leman Russ.

 

 

That's pretty much the whole issue. If you take it too mean what you suggest the restriction is actually pointless since you can just RoW around it. 

 

 

Isn't that the point? If you take Leman Russ he alone allows other options to become available. Him and only him allows access to other units as compulsory troops, an once you have him you could also look at other RoW. He is a Primarch after all, maybe the intention was to allow these RoW's but only if Russ was taken?

[N3rdhead]

I dont understand the difference. In other Legions you need Troop choices without Support Squad and u dont need to take them with Pride of the Legion. Its the same for SW, just that u dont need Grey Slayers. Also Russ allows to use them and u can take another RoW. Taking Russ and Pride of the Legion is a waste. Also there is no mentioning in the part of grey slayers being compulsary troop choices that this makes certain RoWs unavailable to SW.

[LaLongCarabine]

So up until now I've just been tooling around with Imperial Fists with plenty of dakka against 30 and 40k forces. I'm looking at the wolves and having a hard time figuring out how to use them but I think we're getting there.

 

Mostly I'm wondering if anyone has good experience moving 40 footslogging PA marines across the field (again been fists in 30k til now, we like to sit still). Answering that problem probably builds most of my lists for me. Right now I'm thinking of having the core of my army start with

 

Centurion - artifice, great frost, refractor, jump pack

 

Priest (speaker of the dead) - artifice, great frost, jump pack

 

Grey Slayers - Sgt artificer/great frost, 2x hidden power fists

 

Grey Slayers - Sgt artificer/great frost, 2x hidden power fists

 

Assault squad - Sgt PF/AA

 

Assault squad - Sgt PF/AA

 

Best I can count that's 1000 pts flat and leaves 850 (my locals preferred size) or 1k for you to play with. I'm thinking of just taking enough HATE to distract my opponent from the infantry. Maybe a pair of sicarans with MM on top and a contemptor mortis with assaults.

[SkimaskMohawk]

Only by taking Russ can you use other rite of wars (such as Pride or Primarch's Chosen)

 

The difference is for "normal Legions" troops is that nothing is compulsory; you don't have to take Tactical Squads or Assault Squads, but you do need to take 2 non-support troops to fill up the compulsory slots. 

 

Wolves on the other hand have to take compulsory grey Slayers; in every instance (but Russ), the minimum amount of Troops has to be filled with Slayers and every Troop in the Age of Darkness Army List becomes Support.