Hfran Morkai Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Well rereading that passage put down my idea of using a Delegatus for smaller games to unlock RoW. Praetor it is. Edited February 8, 2017 by Mikal Wolfheart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 My issue with that ruling is that it basically makes Red-Blade go from excellent to compulsory. And, thus confirming my first impressions of the rules we were given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) I think that that limitation is what really hampers the Wolves. One Praetor is good. A second is okay. A third is hard to fit in. Centurions are also rather questionable. Priests of Fenris are among the best HQs (especially since they have access to the Aether-Rune armour), but you will only be able to play two at 1000pts, one at 2000pts and none at 3000pts. This alone might break the army, which is really obnoxious regarding how well the rest is executed ('mandatory' Red-Blade notwithstanding). Brain fart. Please ignore. Edited February 8, 2017 by Immersturm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 So to clear up what its means, every list will include. Praetor/non-consul Centurion, 2x Grey Slayers. Further Hqs can be fills by any hq choice, consul, priest, or unique character. Frater Cornelius 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 So to clear up what its means, every list will include. Praetor/non-consul Centurion, 2x Grey Slayers. Further Hqs can be fills by any hq choice, consul, priest, or unique character. Yes, after reading it for a second time I realized that the point about mandatory HQs and the number of HQs per 1000 points are two separate rules. Phew. I was worried there for a moment :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I still maintain that Red-blade is a common-sense fulfilment of the preaetor requirement. Obviously not RaW, but I think it's RaI. Why would Red-blade need another jarl to command his force with him? svane jotunsbane 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I still maintain that Red-blade is a common-sense fulfilment of the preaetor requirement. Obviously not RaW, but I think it's RaI. Why would Red-blade need another jarl to command his force with him? I think they wanted to put any independent character that has MotL rule, however, it seems they do not want to allow a delegatus or banner bearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I still maintain that Red-blade is a common-sense fulfilment of the preaetor requirement. Obviously not RaW, but I think it's RaI. Why would Red-blade need another jarl to command his force with him? I'm not against house-rules. And, any 50 point Centurion would solve the compulsory hq requirment, and Red-blade would still be warlord because of the MotL rule. They very well may faq it so that Greigor and Red-blade satisfies the compulsory HQ choice. Then the question becomes why aren't you taking Red-Blade he literally makes the army function in a somewhat reliable fashion, and makes both RoW usuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I actually like Greigor in the sense that he is cheap and thus a good way to get MotL if you are on a budget. Plus he can slog together with a Grey Slayer blob as he also has the Warrior's Mettle rule. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Greigor seems fine, the lack of 2+ is concerning, but he will likely be the <1500 point go to. No alternative deployment options are concerning, and he isn't really viable in OA but that's not a massive downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Hes fine for his points , I dont think id take him outside of sub 1500 points as you say , Id much rather take like a champion with the rune armor a refractor field and a greater frost blade for 10 points less if I need a random HQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Hes fine for his points , I dont think id take him outside of sub 1500 points as you say , Id much rather take like a champion with the rune armor a refractor field and a greater frost blade for 10 points less if I need a random HQ He has Master of the Legion though, whereas a Champion does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Which is only relevant if you are taking a rite of war Edit: Or if not like I said , just using him as a random HQ to fill the second slot for playing above 1000 points Edited February 8, 2017 by Bladewolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Aether-Rune armour is Praetor or Priest only lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 What are people's thoughts about the priests of iron blurb? Would that allow them to take aether rune armor or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Aether-Rune armour is Praetor or Priest only lol Ah I missed that. Then you can rol with artificer and your looking at 115 points for a 2+ 5++ with an ap2 weapon very cheap and easy way to fill some points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 What are people's thoughts about the priests of iron blurb? Would that allow them to take aether rune armor or not? The box says they can... I'm not sure what the Artificer part is for seeing as how they are just centurions, or why it would be 20 points instead of 10 like the centurion profile says... I'm so glad they delayed release for 3 years so we could get a quality product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Guys, I may be interpreting this wrong, but can the Grey Slayers Huscarl take a Great Frost Sword? Because his kit allows him to pick a Frost Weapon, but it's weird that all of them would cost the same. Ran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 As they are all Frost weapons I'm inclined to say yes you can Ranwulf 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I have no idea. Frost Weapon is a term used only once, and that is in the profile of the Grey Slayer Huscarl. I would assume it would mean any "frost" weapon of which there are four. So I'm just rolling with that. Ranwulf 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 If hunter's gait and Warrior's mettle had been swapped, SW would play much better. Oh well too late now. Anyone come up with anything new? I'm actually really struggling to come up with a interesting list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 If hunter's gait and Warrior's mettle had been swapped, SW would play much better. Oh well too late now. Anyone come up with anything new? I'm actually really struggling to come up with a interesting list. I'm finding it very hard to make something good or that I like I came up with the following lists though both are 3k. Leman Russ 455 (Storm eagle) -The Pale Hunters Hvarl Red-Blade 210 (spartan) Priest of Fenris 130 (spartan) -cataphracti armour -power fist The Wolf-kin of Russ 100 (Storm eagle) 10 Varagyr 545 -3 chain fists -7 power fists -10 frost claws Spartan 375 -armoured ceramite -flare shield -dozer blade 5 Varagyr 345 -5 reaper autocannons -5 power fists 5 Varagyr 345 -5 reaper autocannons -5 power fists Storm Eagle 265 -multi melta -lascannons Fire Raptor 230 -reaper autocannons -hellstrike missiles OR this other similar list Lord of War: Leman Russ (in storm eagle) -The Pale Hunters Hq: Hvarl Red-Blade (with varagyr) Priest of Fenris (with varagyr) -speaker of the dead -cataphracti -frost claw -chain fist Wolf Kin of Russ (in storm Eagle) Troops: 10 Varagyr -5 power fists -5 chain fists -10 frost claws Spartan -armoured ceramite -flare shield -dozer blade 10 Grey Slayers -2 combi plasmas -artificer armour -great frost blade -melta bomb Rhino -dozer blade 10 Grey Slayers -2 combi plasmas -artificer armour -great frost blade -melta bomb Rhino -dozer blade Fast Attack: Storm Eagle -multi melta -lascannons 2 Javelins -2 multi meltas 2 Javelins -2 multi meltas Heavy Support: Fire Raptor -autocannon -hellstrike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I think it basically comes down to how you want to run your Grey Slayers, mech or blob, and then build around it. I have a few lists lined up, but highly unoptimized. I will get back once I have something concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Having to take all these HQs at 2500 is really killing my list building. Normally I run min HQ choices, The cheapest useful HQ choice I can come up with is 95-100 points. I'm really struggling because assuming I outflank. There is a good chance I go where I want to go. But, then the unit doesn't do anything for a turn, gets shot and then assault with what is left assuming its in range. I'm looking at all the ways I can fit in the scout usr to essentially null deploy. But even that has limitations as too the strength of the units I can deploy. Ignoring how effective infantry are in general... and I'm rambling now. Edited February 8, 2017 by Baluc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Couple of points for people: FW confirmed at the Open Day that Hvarl and Geigor count as a Praetor/Centurion with regards to the Legion requirements. Iron Priest box-out: 30 points for a Master of Signal or Praevian to take to Æther-rune armour, or 20 points for a Forge Lord (who has artificer armour already). Bit of a typo, but that's how it plays. Not convinced that Huscarls get great frost blades. It should specify them. It also seems that Space Wolves get to take as many HQs as their Legion requirements ask for, ie. 5 in a 5,000-point game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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