Charlo Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Nearly 2 years later, and nothing actually updating the rules which changed. A palatine blade user with Book 1 is stuck with 5 man squads. So they shouldve bought the new book :P? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Exactly my point. We are having to pay for FW not being capable of writing rules, or paying for the most recent upgrade to rules that come from a change of unit. I don't have £50 to spent to just get rewritten rules, and if they release if from FAQ, then from a business point of view they miss out on the sales to all us mugs who they'll buy so that we cam do exactly that. Its really kind of :cuss business practise as well, giving up Goodwill (as in the accountacy goodwill) and business value in favour of short term sales, once only cash sales. I know this because I have to extract companies from contracts with overlords who start doing exactly that. And often, i can't, as it is a form of asset stripping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Exactly my point. We are having to pay for FW not being capable of writing rules, or paying for the most recent upgrade to rules that come from a change of unit. I don't have £50 to spent to just get rewritten rules, and if they release if from FAQ, then from a business point of view they miss out on the sales to all us mugs who they'll buy so that we cam do exactly that. Its really kind of business practise as well, giving up Goodwill (as in the accountacy goodwill) and business value in favour of short term sales, once only cash sales. I know this because I have to extract companies from contracts with overlords who start doing exactly that. And often, i can't, as it is a form of asset stripping. it's 30 pounds, and how old are the red books now? they came out with book three, this weekend will see the pre-release of book VI ^^ it's also for both, people who are new to the heresy, and veterans who wants one updated small book instead of a thinn one and three big one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Man, that Domitar is soooo Iron Hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CetmeC Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Exactly my point. We are having to pay for FW not being capable of writing rules, or paying for the most recent upgrade to rules that come from a change of unit. I don't have £50 to spent to just get rewritten rules, and if they release if from FAQ, then from a business point of view they miss out on the sales to all us mugs who they'll buy so that we cam do exactly that. Its really kind of business practise as well, giving up Goodwill (as in the accountacy goodwill) and business value in favour of short term sales, once only cash sales. I know this because I have to extract companies from contracts with overlords who start doing exactly that. And often, i can't, as it is a form of asset stripping. it's 30 pounds, and how old are the red books now? they came out with book three, this weekend will see the pre-release of book VI ^^ it's also for both, people who are new to the heresy, and veterans who wants one updated small book instead of a thinn one and three big one I understand why some people are upset with the re release of the red books. But I think that for me is better (and cheaper) to buy a couple of books from time to time with all the updated rules and new units rather than have to buy every book of the main series they release. but that it's maybe because I'm only interested in the rules and in the background of certain legions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm not defending it but if you play 40k, buy an army book and supplement that's 60 quid. Soon invalidated. Difference is that we can hope for an faq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 What's this? Price complaints about the book when a 10 man tactical squad with legion upgrades costs over £100? But seriously, if the price of the updated book is an issue, you probably aren't FW's target audience. The FAQ/Errata seem ok and more frequent that GW's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Man, that Domitar is soooo Iron Hands While at the same time being simple enough to be soooo Iron Warriors (I believe the Iron Circle were based on that pattern?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjasuperspy Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Man I hope they got my email about switching the Alpha Legion Terminators over to Tartaros armor (So they can benefit from Dynat's "Reroll sweeps" *AND* his "+1 to vehicle damage" rules). Though if they did I have to buy 'em pizza and that might get pricey.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I can't tell whether or not I like the Domitar (need other angles) as I can't tell whether the arms just look too skinny/grav hammers feel weird, or if the shoulder pads just hang off a bit too much. Personally, I want to like it more, but there are just a couple of those weird things that just stick out. Edit: I wish the Grav hammers looked like the Thanatar's and that the shoulder pads were rounded like the Atrapos Knight's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I was expecting literal hammers for the Domitar... He looks Ok-ish. A bit spindly to my tastes but I dont have a proper sense of scale yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm gonna need to see some of that sweet, sweet Blood Angel goodness from that "New Models" seminar. Even if it's just a transfer sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna707 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Have we received any hints on new rights of war for the iron hands? Maybe an immortals list? Man that would make me so happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Have we received any hints on new rights of war for the iron hands? Maybe an immortals list? Man that would make me so happy We can dream. Not long until we start to see the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Domitar is a bit of a miss on my tastes chassis is fine it's that head if it's bigger than the Castellax it's just going to look odd, it's like a Thallax beefed up on roids than forgot to upgrade it's everything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm hoping that the IH RoW will allow increased incorporation of battle automata units, maybe allowing Castellax / Vorax as support troops? That said, whatever it is, it'll have to be pretty nifty to compete with the popularity of Head of the Gorgon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Super excited that the red book will be there. Saturday can't come soon enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Super excited that the red book will be there. Saturday can't come soon enough! Seconded. Apart from New models for me it's the best news as I'm praying for decent EC updates! That combined with the new rite of war will legalise my usable kakophoni :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T'Karon Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Will the be an update to the Crusade Army List book? Also what are the chances of there being a Thousand Sons transfer sheet in the works (fingers crossed)? Can't wait to hear what is revealed at the Inferno seminar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalius Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I've got the original black Istvaan legions book. Reckon it'll be worth buying the Age of Darkness red book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm hoping that the IH RoW will allow increased incorporation of battle automata units, maybe allowing Castellax / Vorax as support troops? That said, whatever it is, it'll have to be pretty nifty to compete with the popularity of Head of the Gorgon You already can take a Praevian with Castellax, and a Heavy Support choice of Castellax/Thallax if you have a Cortex Controller (Praevian/Forge Lord/Autek Mor), plus if you use Head of the Gorgon, your entire Elites choices can be composed of Castellax, Vorax or Domitar! How many more robots do we need!??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Exactly my point. We are having to pay for FW not being capable of writing rules, or paying for the most recent upgrade to rules that come from a change of unit. I don't have £50 to spent to just get rewritten rules, and if they release if from FAQ, then from a business point of view they miss out on the sales to all us mugs who they'll buy so that we cam do exactly that. Its really kind of business practise as well, giving up Goodwill (as in the accountacy goodwill) and business value in favour of short term sales, once only cash sales. I know this because I have to extract companies from contracts with overlords who start doing exactly that. And often, i can't, as it is a form of asset stripping. it's 30 pounds, and how old are the red books now? they came out with book three, this weekend will see the pre-release of book VI ^^ it's also for both, people who are new to the heresy, and veterans who wants one updated small book instead of a thinn one and three big one Sorry, trying to remember how much it cost on release, convinced myself it was like £45 + Postage. Either way, it's still rather extortionate. What this rulebook format provides is a collection of rules - but it doesn't just copy paste the rules, it does so in a manner which breaks things, changes how things work, misses things out, adds in some stealth errata that was not covered by the rules. For people who have not already paid for the Black Books, 1-3, followed by the 2 Red Books, then Books 4 and 5, Red-Mech and eventually 6 when it drops, followed once more by a Red Book v2, that's £478 over the course of about 4 years; nearly £125 a year on books. People who buy just the black books are fine, this isn't going to change their outlook on how they collect the game, but for those who've supported this hobby and the company as much as possible, and be told that "thanks for paying £350, now give us another £130 to actually play the game, but by the way, those rules won't be correct, give me another 2 years and then I'll give you an FAQ that will barely even scratch the issues that come from out complete inability to actually write rules", you've got to be wondering if it's actually intended. That £130 is assuming that there isn't a LACAL update - which means that the Book V upgrades are missing out, and maybe the Red Book Mechanicum changes to the game. I like to think not, but I don't think FW are that stupid that they cannot see what they're doing, either by intention, or complete stupidity. That their customer service has now descended into "We can't actually give you an answer, because all we're told to do is answer your purchase related enquiries, and even if we do we tell you to a; houserule and b; we're don't actually know how the game works either", it's not even worth the time or effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 http://i.imgur.com/z80T8CA.jpg Grav Hammers? I hope these things have two settings: Rumble and Frenzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 http://i.imgur.com/z80T8CA.jpg Grav Hammers? I hope these things have two settings: Rumble and Frenzy. Great. Now I'll have to buy two and paint them red and blue. I hope you're happy with what you've done :D Although, that actually works out quite well with my BA and my NL. Ooh, ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm hoping that the IH RoW will allow increased incorporation of battle automata units, maybe allowing Castellax / Vorax as support troops? That said, whatever it is, it'll have to be pretty nifty to compete with the popularity of Head of the Gorgon You already can take a Praevian with Castellax, and a Heavy Support choice of Castellax/Thallax if you have a Cortex Controller (Praevian/Forge Lord/Autek Mor), plus if you use Head of the Gorgon, your entire Elites choices can be composed of Castellax, Vorax or Domitar! How many more robots do we need!??! ALL THE ROBOTS! (realistically, that's a fair point, but maybe something that would give the Automata access to the IH Legiones Astartes rule outside of a Praevian, to really emphasize how integrated they are into the Legion - I'm also hoping the Shattered Legions stuff might also allow integration of Mechanicum forces as well as inter-Legion armies - a fully mixed Iron Hands / AdMech army would be the dream ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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