Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I made my way through the thread as best I could and still didint see the New Imperial Fists rite of war ? I am pretty stoked about the new Knight and Dorns buff tho Posted Today, 05:02 PM Imp fist RoW phalanx warders troops. Teleprt transponder options for infantry and chars. Deep strikers gain shrouded for a turn and cause 12" aoe blind. Vehicles must start in reserve and no fort or allies From Heresy 30k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I have to be honest : I don't like Blood Angels, but it definitely seems like you got shafted here... And I'm surprised how no-one has commented on the Ultras Rite of War: it seems quite overpowered on reading it, at least in objective games. All infantry scoring ? come on ! EDIT: really pleased with Iron Warriors RoW though :) And I'm going to have to find a place to put the Iron Circle in my fluff :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwingt65 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Well, since there is long time untill BA get all their other stuff, one can hope that the rules are reworked in the meantime. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Hmmm heraldor delegatus and a champion would make for fine black shield ideas ☺ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 That's the issue. BA without their right of war have more negatives than positives, the easier wound chance is nice but to be particularly good in melee you need ap2 which BA can only really get on init1 weapons which typically are wounding on 2s anyway. Then the right of war is great... except it requires you use a unit that is at least for the next half a year or so accepted to be a very bad choice in a heresy game, it grants +1 init but also means you have to accept challenges. As such, you're either striking first and almost certainly not getting through the 2+ armour save of your opponent (and then they cut you down due to having an ap2 weapon either at their own init (WS), a step lower (deathguard... seriously the DG can do CC better than CC armies with the rad grenades and AP2 scythes), or init 1 with an axe or fist... or you strike last and either don't get to strike (WS or DG) or quite likely end in mutual destruction) But still great work on getting all the info folks, thanks! P.s. I think the reason the above frustrates me is because my most likely opponents are deathguard, white scars and DA lol in termies their poweraxes wound at 2+ so you save tose 5pts for the powerfists Eh, saving 25-50 points being the biggest boon of the legion rule says a lot lol. Tbh it's not all that bad, the rule is fairly good, as is the rite of war, but the rite of war needs assault squads to be fixed before its really playable. Here's how I guss it'd go down (will assume a despoiler squad or tacticals with ccw): Squad with sergeant using artificer armour and an axe charge similar equipped enemy unit. The sergeant has to challenge, so does. And either has mutual destruction or gets lucky or dies. If vs deathguard or white scars he dies. However the unit of BA that is with said sergeant strike first (+1 init) and probably do more wounds. So come out on top potentially more often than not (of course certain enemy legion rules make that less likely) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionary Pallas Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 The pistols are OK but hand flamers really aren't great Until you consider that - until fixed - on a moritat, these flamers will generate an infinite amounts of hits as they can never miss, and thus chain-fire can never end. Any squad or even primarch at under t7 will be killed instantaneously without the roll of a dice. Forgeworld? -Ahem- Forgeworld? If they don't fix this the will be no reason in taking primarchs, you could even take the phase walker for extra OP At least now I won't be guilted about playing 'Iron Hands, the Over-Powered Army' The exact wording of the hand flamer rule is: "Any model with the Legiones Astartes (Blood Angels) special rule with access to a volkite serpenta as part of their Wargear options may instead take a hand flamer for +15 points." IIRC a Moritat cannot benefit from their legiones astartes rules, I could be completely wrong however (don't have the red books yet). So if someone who does have the red books could clarify this, that'd be just great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Just a heads up, Recalcitrant Daze has some really good quality images of today's models: http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/horus-heresy-weekender-2016-part-1.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 The pistols are OK but hand flamers really aren't great Until you consider that - until fixed - on a moritat, these flamers will generate an infinite amounts of hits as they can never miss, and thus chain-fire can never end. Any squad or even primarch at under t7 will be killed instantaneously without the roll of a dice. Forgeworld? -Ahem- Forgeworld? If they don't fix this the will be no reason in taking primarchs, you could even take the phase walker for extra OP At least now I won't be guilted about playing 'Iron Hands, the Over-Powered Army' The exact wording of the hand flamer rule is: "Any model with the Legiones Astartes (Blood Angels) special rule with access to a volkite serpenta as part of their Wargear options may instead take a hand flamer for +15 points." IIRC a Moritat cannot benefit from their legiones astartes rules, I could be completely wrong however (don't have the red books yet). So if someone who does have the red books could clarify this, that'd be just great. Nope, you are correct :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalius Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Wait does this mean I can't use the Rapier Quad launcher in with squads of other rapier weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 That's the issue. BA without their right of war have more negatives than positives, the easier wound chance is nice but to be particularly good in melee you need ap2 which BA can only really get on init1 weapons which typically are wounding on 2s anyway. Then the right of war is great... except it requires you use a unit that is at least for the next half a year or so accepted to be a very bad choice in a heresy game, it grants +1 init but also means you have to accept challenges. As such, you're either striking first and almost certainly not getting through the 2+ armour save of your opponent (and then they cut you down due to having an ap2 weapon either at their own init (WS), a step lower (deathguard... seriously the DG can do CC better than CC armies with the rad grenades and AP2 scythes), or init 1 with an axe or fist... or you strike last and either don't get to strike (WS or DG) or quite likely end in mutual destruction) But still great work on getting all the info folks, thanks! P.s. I think the reason the above frustrates me is because my most likely opponents are deathguard, white scars and DA lol in termies their poweraxes wound at 2+ so you save tose 5pts for the powerfists Very true. Thats an extra 25 points for a 5 man squad saved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Any change to the medusan immortals rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Can't find any news on contemptor corpus - can anyone advise what they're like? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Tomorrow brother tomorrow we shall find out, all in all this is a great weekender, now if we got a primarch preview and a finished or 90% finished primarch and a look at some Wolves upgrades everyone will be sufficed. Finished Dorn concept magnus russ Diorama? Who knows what those crazy guys at fw are planning Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 thanks @ imperial truth There was a pack of about 7 SW on Terra sent there on Euss's orders in proxy of The Sigilite to "watch the watchers". Packs name was Howl of the Hearthworld. A short story describes there displeasure on being sent to Terra as the SW are readying themselves for Prospero in the new collection of stories "War Without End", so entirely possible that a SW is fighting alongside an IF and the Sigilite If I'm not mistaken from the previous cover art, that's Severian, former LW and currently agentia of the Sigillite. No wonder we then see him next to Malcador with a slew of astartes in obvious grey, featureless armour... Errant kniggets imo and not Wolves. None of this matters. All that matters is that The First Captain, the Black Templar, the Living Paragon, SIGISMUND stands to the right of Malcador. I'm all in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Hmmm heraldor delegatus and a champion would make for fine black shield ideas ☺ Talking about Herald, any news on the "flag" rules Mr. Parker ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Tomorrow brother tomorrow we shall find out, all in all this is a great weekender, now if we got a primarch preview and a finished or 90% finished primarch and a look at some Wolves upgrades everyone will be sufficed. Finished Dorn concept magnus russ Diorama? Who knows what those crazy guys at fw are planning Are you feeling it now kurama? I'm psyched about the armored company and the dark angels rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Templars_Crusader Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 When is dorn coming?I WANT DORN. After the disappointment of the rugby I need dorn this weekend to make it right. Love the stuff so far but holy terra I want dorn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenaur Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Did we ever find out for sure what changes they've made to AL headhunters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Tomorrow brother tomorrow we shall find out, all in all this is a great weekender, now if we got a primarch preview and a finished or 90% finished primarch and a look at some Wolves upgrades everyone will be sufficed. Finished Dorn concept magnus russ Diorama? Who knows what those crazy guys at fw are planning Are you feeling it now kurama? I'm psyched about the armored company and the dark angels rules. It was the heavy weapons that sold me the fact that we can customize more weaponry finally were reaching for scope and the magnitude of the Horus Heresy again it makes me swoon. Now colour me pedantic but I have 20 Tartaros Terminators and im thinking Iron warriors but black shields but my thousand sons project but returning to my white scars my son's of Horus my world eaters my Solar Auxillia my vostroyan militia I can decide what to do damn it!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Wait if moritats can't benefit from legiones astartes, there's literally no point in the things. Why would I want a night Lord moritat that would be the only guy who couldn't see in the dark... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Did we ever find out for sure what changes they've made to AL headhunters? No more preferred enemies, combi bolters as standard, combi weapons now available. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Wait if moritats can't benefit from legiones astartes, there's literally no point in the things. Why would I want a night Lord moritat that would be the only guy who couldn't see in the dark... Maybe it's because they're eyes are burnt out from Rad weaponry and only see in shades of grey Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Wait if moritats can't benefit from legiones astartes, there's literally no point in the things. Why would I want a night Lord moritat that would be the only guy who couldn't see in the dark...Maybe it's because they're eyes are burnt out from Rad weaponry and only see in shades of grey And that wouldn't apply to destroyers? That model is gonna get soooo dusty Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 The pistols are OK but hand flamers really aren't great Until you consider that - until fixed - on a moritat, these flamers will generate an infinite amounts of hits as they can never miss, and thus chain-fire can never end. Any squad or even primarch at under t7 will be killed instantaneously without the roll of a dice. Forgeworld? -Ahem- Forgeworld? If they don't fix this the will be no reason in taking primarchs, you could even take the phase walker for extra OP At least now I won't be guilted about playing 'Iron Hands, the Over-Powered Army' The exact wording of the hand flamer rule is: "Any model with the Legiones Astartes (Blood Angels) special rule with access to a volkite serpenta as part of their Wargear options may instead take a hand flamer for +15 points." IIRC a Moritat cannot benefit from their legiones astartes rules, I could be completely wrong however (don't have the red books yet). So if someone who does have the red books could clarify this, that'd be just great. Nope, you are correct my red book says thet they cannot benefit from special rules of rites of war, characthers and anithing outside themselves, but doesn't say nothing about legiones astartes, and in the centurion description it says that he has the legiones astartes special rule. Perhaps you're talking about some FAQ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Not sure if this is the place for this, and I apologize if it isn't, but if anyone is going to the Weekender and willing to pick up some things I'd humbly request a PM and we can discuss the important things. Sorry again.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/page/45/#findComment-4296732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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