[HH1.0] Blood Angels Tactica - Assault Cannons For Days

[Theredknight]

Haha bit it is pretty cool

[Charlo]

Attack bikes and contemptor arms seem to be the best platform for them, as well as predators of course. For heavy squads I agree Culverins are just plain better. Leviathans too. Deredeos it's better to take the cannons I feel as the S6 rending, while shorter range, synergises with the automatons more than heavy bolters.

 

Attack bikes get 6 anti infantry shots (assuming they can fire the bolters and the cannons).

 

Contemptors with underslung get more shots than a Kheres and extra attacks in combat - although I suppose it could be argued double grav is better...

 

And Predators... Well they're just plain awesome in squads of three rocking the 9 normal cannons and 3 twin linked ones.

[Ishagu]

The Predator squadron could be very interesting. 36 Str6 rending shots is quite cool, but their range is still limited so they'd need Machine Spirit upgrades. Edited February 24, 2016 by Ishagu

[Charlo]

Take the Predator RoW.

 

Keep the Predator cannons though as you have to. All Preds are now fast.

 

Oh my Sanguinius this is beautiful.

 

Also it's 48 shots. You can take a pintle heavy flamer and replace it too :D

[Flint13]

I think it's the whole "replace any heavy flamer" deal that edges it out just a little bit over the top.

 

It sets up a few silly (fluff-wise) instances.

[Ishagu]

The tanks would actually be easy to convert... and would look amazing.

[Unknown Legionnaire]

I think it's the whole "replace any heavy flamer" deal that edges it out just a little bit over the top.

 

It sets up a few silly (fluff-wise) instances.

 

Yup ... like that Contemptor with two DCCW and two underslung assault cannons ... 

[helterskelter]

I don't see a problem with that.

Having a ton of assault cannon isn't going to do any harm is it really?

Is like a prevalence of chain glaives in NL when it used to be just Sevatar fluffwise.

Plus a HS squad with Assault cannon sat on an objective with an apothecary, go on. Charge me Bro.

People spam grav, don't judge for assault cannon spam

[Slips]

The Assault Cannons on Contemptors arent actually underslung, theyre in-hand...

[Unknown Legionnaire]

Even worse ...

 

Underslung could still look somehow manageable if converted right, but a f***in' six barrel gatling gun protruding from the palm of the Contemptor ... really ? 

[Slips]

well, not really protrude, just have the frontmost part of the barrel be visible enough to give a clear indication of the gun.

 

Otherwise, underslung with the new Rotor Cannon Model or even shoulder mounted due to how boxy they are could look decent.

[Charlo]

It's simple guys, a barrel in each finger :D

[Sentinel Guy]

Can deredeos even take them? Does a twin linked heavy bolter count for the purposes of upgrading them?

[helterskelter]

Eddys can have chest heavy flamers, therefore they can have assault cannons :) good for mid field threats, though slightly worse than choom for not being twin linked

[Blindhamster]

I really don't think switching to assault cannons is a good plan in any infantry situation.

 

Predators can be cool purely as a way to recreate the baal predator. Putting the assault cannon on terminators is probably fine too.

 

Our wargear is generally not worth the time of day, except the sword which we might as well put on all hq characters.

 

Legion rules are pretty forgettable.

 

Day of revelations is kind of naff till assault marines get fixed. Day of sorrow sucks.

 

All in all, most of the blood angel rules are not worth thinking about, the reason everyone's going mad about assault cannons is because there's absolutely nothing else worth getting excited about.

[helterskelter]

Except the sword and talent for murder plus

[Blindhamster]

I already said the sword was good. But frankly I'd rather have an ap2 at init weapon I can give every sergeant in the army. Rather than one that is debatable as an alternative for paragon blade.

 

The whole talent for murder plus thing doesn't fly. Yes it's circumstantial but it's also +1 to hit AND wound. Night Lords also get 'from the shadows'

Edited February 24, 2016 by Blindhamster

[Terminus]

Talent for murder plus?  As in, better than talent for murder?  You must have dipped in the III's field supplies, because you're talking high right now.

[Charlo]

Other than Day of Sorrow, which even then isn't too bad though it should have been FNP4+ IMO, the rules are solid enough.

 

Day of Sorrow is only going to get stronger as we get inevitable unique jump units and while hand flamers are over costed, inferno pistols are awesome.

 

A flat plus one to wound, as opposed to strength is also rather powerful, as it means T6/7 are wounded in melee on a 5+, as opposed to 6, so putting power weapons into Castellax and the like is an option.

 

Perdition blades are rock solid. Every one of our consols just got insanely good. It's a shame it wasn't sergeant wide like Glaives/ Phoenix spears but still considering your character can kill twice as many wounds as he has attacks it's nasty.

[m0nolith]

All dem assault cannon!

Were a close combat legion, right?

 

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on sergeant cc weapons. Axes + melta bomb or power fists?

[Flint13]

I already said the sword was good. But frankly I'd rather have an ap2 at init weapon I can give every sergeant in the army. Rather than one that is debatable as an alternative for paragon blade.

 

The whole talent for murder plus thing doesn't fly. Yes it's circumstantial but it's also +1 to hit AND wound. Night Lords also get 'from the shadows'

 

The Blood Angels and Night Lords are completely different in their Talents. 

 

Night Lords get a +1 to hit and wound when they outnumber against infantry.

 

Blood Angels get a flat +1 to wound. Against everything, no matter the weapon, foe, strength, toughness, period, The End.

 

I can see how similarities can be drawn, but they really aren't comparable. 

Edited February 24, 2016 by Flint13

[Slips]

Even if these might end up being Beta Rules, I for one am just glad that the Blood Angels (and WS and DA) have any rules at all.

 

So theres that.

 

Its better than literally having nothing.

[Blindhamster]

 

 

I already said the sword was good. But frankly I'd rather have an ap2 at init weapon I can give every sergeant in the army. Rather than one that is debatable as an alternative for paragon blade.

 

The whole talent for murder plus thing doesn't fly. Yes it's circumstantial but it's also +1 to hit AND wound. Night Lords also get 'from the shadows'

The Blood Angels and Night Lords are completely different in their Talents.

 

Night Lords get a +1 to hit and wound when they outnumber against infantry.

 

Blood Angels get a flat +1 to wound. Against everything, no matter the weapon, foe, strength, toughness, period, The End.

 

I can see how similarities can be drawn, but they really aren't comparable.

Wasn't me that made the original comparison.

 

Slipstreams, yeah it's good they got rules but frankly they seem pretty lazy, white scars on the other hand don't feel lazy at all.

 

I actually think this is a result of the identity of BA having been eroded in both settings - something that has been mentioned in the context of 40k in the BA forums a lot lately

Edited February 24, 2016 by Blindhamster

[helterskelter]

I also didn't mean for it to turn the heat up a degree.

It was tfm plus coz of what flint said. 5 BA get +1 to wound anything

15 NL may get it if they outnumber whoever they're trying to sicker punch.

Hence tfm+

My opinion isn't anything to go worked up about

[Blindhamster]

For what it's worth, I wasn't taking anything personally. :)

 

I disagree on it being tfm plus, because tfm includes +1 to hit as well as wound, I concur that the fact it's 'always on' for BA is better than a circumstantial bonus of the same kind.

 

But for BA it's

+1 to wound.

 

For NL it's

+1 to hit and wound so long as you outnumber

And a 5+ cover save (again circumstantial)