Nomus Sardauk Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I understand the true name thing, but I'm not aware of a daemon's leverage being increased by knowing a mortal's name, unless you count the Aurelian thing on Cadia Mmm, I thought it only worked on Daemons to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 It happens several times in Prospero burns and the only marine the deamon can't get a grip on is Bjorn the Fell Handed as the person whose mind the deamon was taking the names had been pronouncing it Bear. I believe it crops up in a couple of other books and if I remember rightly Lorgar givew Khârn and Angron a lecture on it in Betrayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 As far as I am aware from canon; it works for anyone whom can manipulate the warp as most beings are warp entities as well as physical beings. So if a traitor sorcerer or Daemon knew the true name of a Nightguard, they could manipulate them to a far greater degree. Do any of the Legions practice psycho indoctrination at this point? Name changes included? As those Astartes would have no issue as they don't know their true names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 OK, well that makes sense although I think a true name works whether you yourself know it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Ohh absolutely; it's just if you have no memory of it, it would be far harder to gleam of it quickly in combat say mind reading; it would take prep time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 Ohh absolutely; it's just if you have no memory of it, it would be far harder to gleam of it quickly in combat say mind reading; it would take prep time.Meaning it would be another layer to the Nightguard's mental defences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Do we have names for the Towers which will be built in the Scouring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 Do we have names for the Towers which will be built in the Scouring?Nope. Not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'll have to brainstorm one for the old story I wrote. I was thinking that the Knights Errant and some of the Blackshield warbands who follow them to Terra become the nucleus of one or more Towers. I might switch Nix to a less senior role, as it makes more sense for Odyssalas to hold the post of Tower Master, though I like how the scene works. In the case of the Shadow Hands, it becomes a way to escape the retribution of the Warbringers, who (if I remember what Skal said correctly) are intent on seeing their former brothers wiped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) Imo, the former Blackshields would be more likely distributed across the existing or being built towers alongside the "veteran" Nightguard as a precaution and to provide the necessary experience. I'm also slightly incomfortable with Odyssales being auto promoted to Tower Master although seeing as he survives Raktra in one form or another I suppose it could happen. Btw, have you thought of what names Nux&Odyssales will take as Nightguard? Edited August 26, 2016 by Sigismund229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) Second Captain, a track record for inventive tactics and surviving decades of service as a Knight Errant is a decent resumè, I'd say ;) Will the bulk or even the whole of the Nightguard fight on Terra? Edited August 26, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) Second Captain, a track record for inventive tactics and surviving decades of service as a Knight Errant is a decent resumè, I'd say ;) Will the bulk or even the whole of the Nightguard fight on Terra? Ah but what deamonic foes will he have fought? That's what matter in the Nightguard ;) No only those from the Tower located on Terra will be there. The rest will be around the EoT and Maelstrom dealing with deamonic incursions still. So that's give or take 71 Nightguard on Terra Edited August 26, 2016 by Sigismund229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Well, whatever crossed his path from the beginning of the Blood Crusade onwards. Won't the ones around the Maelstrom have bigger problems? I mean, once Icarion declares for Chaos, they become an enemy on his doorstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 Well, whatever crossed his path from the beginning of the Blood Crusade onwards. Won't the ones around the Maelstrom have bigger problems? I mean, once Icarion declares for Chaos, they become an enemy on his doorstep. I suppose so? So they'll be fighting the LB and quite possibly taking part in the attack on Madrigal. Not put huge amount of thought into it. Btw, have you got any ideas about what names Nux&Odyssales will take upon joining the Nightguard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I was thinking I'd do the same thing I expect to be done with the canon Knights and just leave vague hints with the names of some revered heroes of the order, with Nix's new name left unmentioned in the final scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 Nice. I like it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Glad to hear it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 The Herald of Choom!!! http://i.imgur.com/CJ07zyUl.jpg Seeing this, I'm tempted again by the idea of partially silver helmets again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Also, I reckon the Nightguard should be present on Prospero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 Also, I reckon the Nightguard should be present on Prospero.The Nightguard can't be on Prospero. They weren't founded until the Emperor went back to Terra. For the Nightguard Tower Masters we still need to come to a consensus. One will be a Lightning Bearer another a Grave Stalker. The master of the Nightguard fleet will be a WoP. For the other two Tower Masters, how about a Predator(perhaps one of the two characters Kel gave us earlier?) and a Fire Keepers(what with them loathing witches and the warp and all). Then Thørn's Drowned character can be a Sergeant within the NG. Demus Ragnok, Doctor Perils and Kelborn 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Oh, damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 How about a warden of light? He could call upon the wardens more easily as he knows hidden channels to reach them in their exil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 How about a warden of light? He could call upon the wardens more easily as he knows hidden channels to reach them in their exil? Why not make the Warden of Light not a tower master but an advisor for the whole Nightguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 But he should be a nightguard who then asks for help. If it were an advisor, then he would stay a warden of light, right? Thought when the daemons in the rifts grow stronger, they call for help and the wardens send a voluntary army. Those would then see the darkness and were the first who split from the wardens taking action against the traitirs and when they defect, gwal realizes thst sitting around would not prevent bloodshed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 Not advisor so much as like Mournival. So he could be Nightguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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