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That's the kind of stuff I'd imagined for Nomus' homeworld as it has hovering cities with the upper, sophisticated society under the Overseers' rule and those "lowies" on the surface.

 

Very steampunky. I like it.

 

*edit*

 

Are they wearing masks or are they robo-dwarfs, 'cause I can't see anyone with his face being revealed? ^^

I believe they wear fully enclosed suits ("to protect them from the toxic fumes in the skies of the mortal realms ")

 

Edit: Also sorry, I should probably have posted this elsewhere: could you move this to general discussion slipstreams please :)

@Demus: I did not mean to provoke an argument, merely to point out what I believed existing fluff to be. Let's just say Daer'dd is the largest, Niklaas and Hec have barely any difference between them(as Mikhal suggested).

 

@Thørn: In agreement with Mikhal&Kel, very steam punky. I like it.

I'm confused. Why does Hectarion need to be the biggest after Daer'dd?

He doesn't. Simply I thought he was and that would seem to make sense given that one of the quirks/perks of Lion gene-seed is certain organs are overactive, creating marines who are taller than average with greater muscle mass(goes back to something I read in an old codex:sm, 2nd edition I think, where it was an apothacery reporting such a problem and noting that if it could be controlled, it would make for very effective assault troops). Seeing as Hec is their gene-sire and the only other legion with a similar quirk is the IB, I thought it would make sense for him to be just after Daer'dd in size.

Well, Vulkan and Mortarion are both second-biggest after Magnus (some also add Ferrus to them, though less often).

There we go. It was my fault for leaping in and being defensive of what I thought was established fluff and being more irritable than I should have been(for reasons unrelated to BotL but which seem to have translated into what I wrote)

I'm fairly certain that Niklaas was established as second biggest early on. Furthermore, I would also point out that the deadliest and most aggressive fighters among the Primarchs (Russ, Angron, etc) are never noted for their height or size. Ergo, I suggest that perhaps the extra height would subtly undermine peak fighting ability. This, I suggest Hectarion shouldn't be noted for his size, perhaps being third or fourth largest.

Because of that reason Gwal is mid-tier in size. Because he is so deadly. I mean shiny^^

 

 

But because of such misunderstandings I suggested maybe an extra thread where we put the main points like height, haircolor etc in it. This will make the work for artists easier and if there is a number in the description, then we may reduce superlatives ( really, I hate them. Big E created 20 primarchs who all could best each other. If not for musclemass. Then for brain or maybe because of psypower or because they negate them or thr shaft of the axe is longer)

 

So how about something like the suggested thread? What infos should be in it?

Because of that reason Gwal is mid-tier in size. Because he is so deadly. I mean shiny^^

Nomus: "My data shows no correlation between our size and fighting ability, for example our brother Alexandros is the shortest among us and yet with his psychic abilities and greater agility I estimate he could probably best brother Daerr'd in a one-on-one duel by wearing him down over time. I believe an accurate metaphor would be 'death by a thousand cuts' as our brother Azus put it. However if Daerr'd managed to land a solid hit on Alexandros with his immense strength it could easily disable Alexandros in one shot, therefore I surmise a balance of the two to be the most optimal size. However I fail to see how the light-reflecting capabilities of our armour would enhance our combat performance, I fear your hypothesis requires more research brother."

Hey!!! I was on the short is deadly train way before you two!!!

 

 

List could look like this

Base

Type

Height

Body

Face

Hair

Marks

Other

Armor:

Weapon:

Disability

Physical Skills

Conflict style, physical

Conflict style, verbal

Emotional Expressions

Personality Quirks

 

 

(okay is a bit deep but just as an example)

 

Base

A kind man with a pragmatic outlook on life.

 

Type

Caucasian

 

Height:

10"

 

Body

a little shorter than average primarch

small-boned build

slightly overweight

pocked light-ruddy skin

 

Face

oval face

creased brow

smile lines

dark brown, sunken eyes

shaved eyebrows

crooked nose

stained lips

wear braces

 

Hair

thick light brown hair

elbow-length

 

Marks

eyebrow piercing

both ears pierced, twice

 

Other

prefers female clothing

right-handed

hold still when talking

moves in a slow/clumsy manner

has a contorted/twisted posture

 

Disability artificial arm

 

Physical Skills

poor balance

adequate speed

exceptional flexibility

 

Conflict style, physical

reluctant fighter

 

Conflict style, verbal

subtle striker

Emotional Expressions

 

anxiety: denies or dismisses

 

respect: externalizes and projects

 

hatred: quick to feel, slow to forget

 

Personality Quirks

Loves to wear costume jewelry, tricked out clothing, etc.

Drops trash without caring where it lands.

Has itchy scalp, elbows, stomach, etc; constantly scratching.

Never curses or uses a deity's name in vain. Disapproves of those who do.

Picks up little objects (keys, bottle caps, coins, etc), and leaves behind something else in replacement.

Eats and smokes at the same time.

Relaxes by being alone and playing an instrument.

Only robbs beggars or homeless.

 

 

And before the jokes start: no...this is not Gwal^^

 I don't see the harm in it. It may even be useful to give writers a clear handle on how to write the Primarchs. 

 

In other news, I finally have a reply from Nicolas. While more details about our progress is reserved for the next e-mail, he has said that we might be seeing the first wave of sketches as early as next week. I'm getting excited by the prospect. 

I'm fairly certain that Niklaas was established as second biggest early on. Furthermore, I would also point out that the deadliest and most aggressive fighters among the Primarchs (Russ, Angron, etc) are never noted for their height or size. Ergo, I suggest that perhaps the extra height would subtly undermine peak fighting ability. This, I suggest Hectarion shouldn't be noted for his size, perhaps being third or fourth largest.

Well, size doesn't necessarily mean height. Mortarion, for example, is considered large, but he's shorter than the Khan, who's likely the leanest of the Eighteen.

Guys, a bit off topic but as we've nearly finished our part in commissioning our Primarch family shot, is there something we should consider doing next?

 

Portraits of every Primarch? Conversions / models of them? Or something else?

Well Mikhal has already done Kwal, D'redd and Raktra(I believe) so I'm sure if we flattered him enough and asked really, REALLY nicely he'd probably be willing to do it for the rest of the Primarchs. I haven't seen the King of Bling turn down a challenge yet. :wink:


Alternatively there are plenty of great artists on Deviantart who accept commissions for relatively low prices.

Guys, a bit off topic but as we've nearly finished our part in commissioning our Primarch family shot, is there something we should consider doing next?

Portraits of every Primarch? Conversions / models of them? Or something else?

Qarith Triumph? Or maybe something we can use for Book 2 - Void Eagles fleet in battle, Halcyon Wardens on Mars.

So I went through my ever expanding time of BotL Lore and;; On Primarch size, Daer'dd (13') is shorter than Magnus (≈15') while Niklaas is second in overall size and Hectarion is roughly as tall as Daer'dd but not as bulky as either Daer'dd or Niklaas. So I'm not really seeing the issue that arose here, as canonverse Magnus is still the tallest, Khan is second tallest but Vulkan is considered the largest most hulking of his kin with Ferrus and Perturabo close behind.

 

The other thing to remember is their size can fluctuate, if even minutely we all Magnus And the Emperor could do it, and would seem Russ could as well, and that's part of how Daer'dd becomes the embodiment of raw power, by focusing his very limited psyker gift inward to give him the abominable Hulk type build.

Well Mikhal has already done Kwal, D'redd and Raktra(I believe) so I'm sure if we flattered him enough and asked really, REALLY nicely he'd probably be willing to do it for the rest of the Primarchs. I haven't seen the King of Bling turn down a challenge yet. ;)

Alternatively there are plenty of great artists on Deviantart who accept commissions for relatively low prices.

You mean Gwal, Kozja, Raktra and Daer'dd. However now seeing the size i went a bit overboard witth Daer'dd as he is more a lot taller and broader than his siblings.(Edit: oh just 1,5 heads taller than Raktra but a alot broader. Maybe not too overboard) And Hec is only a bit bigger than Raktra. I mean...ups...nothing said.

 

I have to finish a blind fellow first before you can ask the King of Bling again. And I have to respond to Brother Olis. So much to do and no time.

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