TheBlindPrimarch Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 boom...sorry, had to claim the thousandth post lol ah nvm, ya ninja'd me blunt lol simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4695669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 The 'seekers and Shepherds generally avoid sharing the same Segmentum, never mind tips on fratricide. Â The Abyssii are about as close with the 'serkers as anyone can really get pre-Insurrection and count the Shepherds as allies. All stuff Raktra and I have figured out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4695682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 So, apparently, Sean is also the Gaelic word for Old, while Presbyter is the Latin word for Elder. I can only imagine the jokes that would follow if the Imperium-aligned Eldar faction was dubbed "The Presbyterians". I bet an equal number of jokes would happen if I used the other quick Latin translation I found: "Seniors". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlindPrimarch Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 "Oi, look ere Gwen. it's one of em pointy eared Eldar."Brant whispered, nudging Gwen as a female Eldar warrior walked past, earning a look of disapproval from Gwen. "Ain't right aving dem skinny xenos ere, even if dey are fightin alongside us pure humans, don't care wot the Warmasta' says." Luk grumbled as he crewed on his ration bar. "Ah but dey are nice ta take a gander at, look at de curves on dat one! Plenty to grab on to huh boys?" Brant laughed loudly. "Oh, she didn't like de sound of dat!"Owen chuckled as the Eldar turned and began to walk directly towards where they sat. "Uh oh. ere she comes now." "Your idotic attempts at barbs are childish and boorish, and nothing less then what I expected from the common rabble of the Mon-keigh." The female Eldar said flatly, as if lecturing errant school boys. "Ho are you callin' rabble ya..." "Shut it Brant!" Gwen yelled as he smacked his fellow Heredes over the back of the head before turning towards the Eldar. "Childish huh, an just how old are you den?" "Just over five hundred of you Terran years." The Eldar replied matter-of-factly before she turned and began to walk away. "Five undred, well I'll be." Luk gasped. "Oi, Eldar!" Brant called out. "What do you want?" She replied, the scorn obvious in her slightly musical voice. "Ya want me ta grab ya a cane?" simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Th usual term I've come across is senex/senectii although that's hardly better. Â I've also seen Maiores used to mean old and antiqus means ancient. Â So perhaps Hostes Maiores? Or Hostes Senectii? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Fun story Blind. And that's just a slice of the headache the Warmaster is going to have to endure for the sake of the Edict.  Th usual term I've come across is senex/senectii although that's hardly better.I've also seen Maiores used to mean old and antiqus means ancient.So perhaps Hostes Maiores? Or Hostes Senectii?  I saw those translations as well. Honestly, the Latin one that I liked was Vetus. It's short and to the point, but the translation seems to suggest it's more of an insult.  Part of the problem is that the Eldar faction will need both an Eldar and High Gothic name. Maiores does seem a little promising, but I'm not sure if there isn't a better word out there.  Also, what is Hostes? Just the Latin word for 'hosts'?  For the ones who answered my Craftworld answer, which Craftworlds were attacked in those Exemplary Battles? I need one very specific Craftworld for BotL to be alive and preferably unspoiled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 With Inferno, we now have the last of the 'trefoil' legions, the Wolves, Salamanders, and the Alpha Legion. These three Legions are noted for being created with an extra layer of secrecy with a distinct note of separation from their cousin Legions. None of them participated in the Unification Wars or any battles in the Sol System.  Since the Wolves are in BotL, we will have one of the trefoil. Did we want to add two other Legions with the Wolves to re-constitute the trefoil on Botl terms? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Hmm. Although the apostles did fight in the unification wars, i could see the wardens of light as peacekeeping AND anti psyker specialist. Same goes for the gravestalkers and the godslayers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 We don't know yet, why and what purpose this trefoil had. Could be everything.  Besides, it was already mentioned in the AL article. I can see why the AL was kept in secret and maybe why the Emperor did that with the Wolves as well but the Salamanders are a wildcard. Just can't imagine why them.  Do we want to have commonalities or a common theme between these three?  Or do we want to select two Legions randomly and keep the reasons a secret. If so, I would suggest to pick very different Legions. So Wolves, Wardens of Light and Steel Legion for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 To me, the Salamanders are the weird one. The Wolves are the executioners, while AL are the spies. So, it's easy to see why they are kept apart. Maybe I should reread the Salamanders' chapter to see why. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Would they be the "mascots" or something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Hostes is the latin word for army or host sim yes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4696769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Would they be the "mascots" or something?  A friendly face among the trefoil?   Hostes is the latin word for army or host sim yes  Interesting. I'd have assumed that 'Legion' meant army in Latin.   Apparently, the Rout was originally an insult. The pre-Space Wolves had a bad habit of going berserker crazy after they had broken the back of the enemy resistance, leading to several massacres of civilians. In a twist of irony, the War Hounds were the disciplined rage-warriors at this time. So, the Pre-Wolves were the World Eaters, while the pre-Eaters were the Wolves. Funny how discovering your Primarch can flip things around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamy248 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Regarding the Salamanders - probably because Vulkan was a perpetual or because initially they were used sorta like suicide bombers - they went on missions that were deemed impossible/suicidal. That was their 'thing.' And I could totally see the Steel Legion as being in the trifoil (being so different, and 'abhuman').  EDIT: I'm baaaaack lol. Sorry for the absence, I've been moving house and stuff.  Now that I have more time, I've scrapped the Mortera drawing that I did (it was pretty horribly drawn and all out of proportion), and have started another that I'm much more happy with. I know that I'm not really going to be able to contribute to this project as much as Drak, but I'd like to help out too with the odd drawing. I've also refined the direction of the Lost Angels, and now have more time to contribute fluff-wise too. Edited March 28, 2017 by foamy248 MikhalLeNoir, simison and Kelborn 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Maybe tge trefoild was designed to face every thread? Â Wolves = normal foes Alphas = spies, intrigues, intelligence Salamanders = safeguard the webway (as perpetuals) Â Could be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Wouldn't astartes foes fit better to the wolves? Â And how many salamnders apart from vulkan became perpetuals? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 The Wolves were made to do what must be done. Russ was known as a successfull commander before Rangdan. Afterwards, he accepted their rumored role as executioners, knowing the truth about his Legion. Â Not really but I can't come up with sonething else which differentiate them fron other Legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 If we keep a trifoil, I'd suggest: Â Berserkers of Uran due to their whole sight thing. Â Halycon Wardens due to their being diplomats. Â Wardens of Light due to their being "stable" pariahs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I wanna say no to the 'Serkers, much as it fits, just becauase we have so much importance assigned to us already I don't wanna risk them looking like some kind of Mary Sue legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I'm cool with the SL being part of our Trefoil if you guys are, with what little we've written/discussed about the early XVIIIth they could easily fulfill a similar "secret police/spy" role, maybe as well as intelligence gathering and covert ops. Perhaps as early foreshadowing of their work smarter not harder mindset, the unseen vanguard of the early Crusade. Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Many eyes are watching you^^.. The steel legion as hacking legion with the shared mindset can really fullfilll the psytheme Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Steel Legion do cyber warfare? I kinda want to do a thing where a dude or dudes from the SL go against Mhal as a training thing now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Foamy, I think you've got it. Not the Perpetual part, but the Salamanders were known for taking on the suicidal missions. It was something that Vulkan curbed when he took over, but they're still known for operating in highly volatile environments compared to other Legions.  It's also good to see you again. Whatever contributions you have time to make, we'll be happy accept.  I'm going to have to remove the Halcyon Wardens from consideration. One, they are already heavily involved in the Unification Wars. Two, the diplomats are only instituted after Alex takes over the Legion.  I also agree with Raktra that the Berserkers shouldn't be part of the trefoil. Mainly because the Berserkers start out as the Shepherds who don't really fit into the trefoil. I see the Berserkers more like the World Eaters/War Hounds. They start out 'normal' and go off the rails when their Primarch takes command.  Now, regarding the Wardens of Light, what were the Apostles of War like before Gwal was found?  I think the Steel Legion makes an excellent candidate to the trefoil. Two other Legions that might be good candidates are the Grave Stalkers and the Predators. What were these three Legions like before they gained their Primarchs? foamy248 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Funnily the suicidal theme foamy describes fits to the apostles, they went first into battle to gain the greatest honor and ignoring the odds. This was also reason of one of their greatest defeats when they engaged an orc waagh and guiare amalasan led them into it. Â Â Give them a jumppack and a two handed greatsword/cleaver and they were happy. Edited March 28, 2017 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 So, the Apostles are definitely a solid candidate. Â Kel, which Craftworld were the Predators going to screw over? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/41/#findComment-4697639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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