Marshal Laeroth Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 From what I can tell...this isn't a product replacement. And even if it is some point down the line, I happen to like the marines I have now. These minis have gotten me through a lot of hard fought battles and through 4 editions. Much like a Templar and his sword...they are chained to my wrist and I won't betray their "machine spirit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 My guess is..... along with given rumours.... Lord Guillimans Crusade is being used to transport the knowledge/technology/ability of Nu Marines along with a few squads of each type, created with the genetic make up of the Chapters Primogenitor Primarch, to bolster each and every Space Marine Chapter out there. Ergo there will be available to BA, SW, BT, DA, all of them. As the story line continues, the Chapters will make their own, via existing Space Marines and aspirants. Personally I love the idea of a Black Templar Sword Brother imparting his knowledge, wisdom, ZEAL to a Nu Neophyte, but... ...I can see many would prefer to "upgrade" an existing Sword Brother into a Nu Sword Brother, same guy, just bigger, faster, tougher, to train the Nu Neophytes. It is something GW will have to address now as they have stated that old Marines can become Nu Marines and that the Chapters can grow their own Nu Marines. I just love the idea of a grizzled experienced SB looking up into the eyes of his Nu Neophyte... " Try it, Neophyte, test your mettle, it is a useful part of your training to believe you are better than your teacher. Size isn't everything young one." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Rock Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Something no one has mentioned is the fact it has been referenced some chapters, characters, and marines are leery of the NuMarines and skeptical about the upgrades. Considering the positives are obvious (bigger, faster, tougher, stronger) there must be some drawback. I wonder if they'll take a cue from the Stormcast Eternal fluff, and part of the process of upgrading is marines "losing" part of their identity in the process. Some chapters probably wouldn't really care (I'm looking at you Ultravanillas), but ones with more individuality might balk at losing knowledge and experience for a quick upgrade. I'm pretty convinced, from a fluff standpoint, the Primaris roll out is going to be clunky and hamfisted, but at least that could offer some nuance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Close combat weapons article up in a bit today. My hopes are high for something to offset the expected loss of getting a bonus attack for having a CCW and Bolt Pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 CHAINSWORDS GIVE AN EXTRA ATTACK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Oh, the wording is arguably somewhat awkward. One does "1 additional attack" mean? Does it mean that an Initiate with an A value of 1 practically has an A value of 2? Or can he attack two times? An Initiate may not be a good example, but say we have a Marshall with A3. Does this mean that he hits 4 times with a chainsword, or 6 times? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wolfhart Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 You do one additional attack each fight phase. What is wrong with that wording? Still i love this update. Screw shooting! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Oh, the wording is arguably somewhat awkward. One does "1 additional attack" mean? Does it mean that an Initiate with an A value of 1 practically has an A value of 2? Or can he attack two times? An Initiate may not be a good example, but say we have a Marshall with A3. Does this mean that he hits 4 times with a chainsword, or 6 times? :P He makes all his base profile attacks plus an extra one. So 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 This is great, makes the chainsword better than the average combat blade. Cool. Still Primaris can't use crusader squads. Which is a shame. Imagine 3 attacks NuMarines initiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 This is great, makes the chainsword better than the average combat blade. Cool. Still Primaris can't use crusader squads. Which is a shame. Imagine 3 attacks NuMarines initiate. Guess we'll have to wait for the Primaris Templar box before we can run the Primaris Crusader Squads. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 You do one additional attack each fight phase. What is wrong with that wording? Still i love this update. Screw shooting! Dunno. Brain fart. It seems I need a break. I still hope that 'Primaris' Marines will cost similar points to Veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 This is great, makes the chainsword better than the average combat blade. Cool. Still Primaris can't use crusader squads. Which is a shame. Imagine 3 attacks NuMarines initiate. Guess we'll have to wait for the Primaris Templar box before we can run the Primaris Crusader Squads. :PI am seriously expecting this.I will hound GW FB page day after day until we get Primaris Crusader Squads. It shall be the #PrimarisCrusade But to be honest they might go legion style and we have a troop choice with pistol and chainsword. Either way a Templar upgrade sprue will be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 This is really nice so we can do pistol shots in CC and the chainsword give you that extra attack. BUT a crusader square sword brother only gets 2A so we might see them now with grav or plasma pistols if they are 7 points. I'm now interested in what a lightning claw does and will we want to run a specialty pistol or combi weapon on our sword brother srg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I still find the #PrimarisCrusade inexplicably disgusting :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 So our basic crusader has had a downgrade from 1 shooting attack and 3 charge attacks on its turn to 1 shooting attack and 2 melee attacks.Yep I can totally see how melee has been better balanced against shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 So our basic crusader has had a downgrade from 1 shooting attack and 3 charge attacks on its turn to 1 shooting attack and 2 melee attacks. Yep I can totally see how melee has been better balanced against shooting. We still don't know what our chapter tactics do, nor what sort of bubbles our characters will give. And you forgot that you can multi charge your transport and Crusaders to crush your enemies with a tank and then purge the rest upon your chainswords. So we gained Overwatch protection amongst the other things that changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just want to piint out that a SGT/SB with two chainswords has 4 attacks for very few points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 A real crusader doesn't use his two hands for two weapons. If he has to use both hands for dishing out slaughter rather than keeping one for his shield, he finds the most humongous two-handed weapon he can lift and goes to town with it. Who do you think they are, samurai? Speaking of which, come on Forge World, make a set of heavy chainswords. And not these sissy maximus patterns, I want the double-edged hedge trimmers of murdering goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 So our basic crusader has had a downgrade from 1 shooting attack and 3 charge attacks on its turn to 1 shooting attack and 2 melee attacks. Yep I can totally see how melee has been better balanced against shooting. And we don't know how charging works yet, you might still get an extra attack. You also get to strike first. Sete: yes we're all aware that Primaris aren't in crusader squads. You can stop beating the dead horse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Vehicles may be tougher but shooting is also a hell of a lot stronger and given GWs history of assigning points to tanks I am as yet unconvinced the LRC will be points effecient enough to survive the firepower that can be bought for points it will cost given that even non specialised shooting units (tatical marines etc) can spit their fire fully to pick on each guns optimal target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 A real crusader doesn't use his two hands for two weapons. If he has to use both hands for dishing out slaughter rather than keeping one for his shield, he finds the most humongous two-handed weapon he can lift and goes to town with it. Who do you think they are, samurai? Speaking of which, come on Forge World, make a set of heavy chainswords. And not these sissy maximus patterns, I want the double-edged hedge trimmers of murdering goodness. Two sword fighting exists in European martial arts as well (like fencing which using an off hand dagger or short sword). Besides RIP AND TEAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Nu uh i saw it twitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Vehicles may be tougher but shooting is also a hell of a lot stronger and given GWs history of assigning points to tanks I am as yet unconvinced the LRC will be points effecient enough to survive the firepower that can be bought for points it will cost given that even non specialised shooting units (tatical marines etc) can spit their fire fully to pick on each guns optimal target. If it isn't balanced I'm sure a crusade to Facebook can get it patched pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Hmmm with the changes we may need to math hammer out what weapon is better for the hidden power weapon once we see points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I do not like that chainsword special rule. I understand why it is there, but it feels like shoe-horning to me to maintain the number of attacks from the previous edition. Also, it will play against some models. I'm thinking that ministorum priests for instance had "a laspistol and CCW" so if you used a model with a chainsword you get an extra attack, if you used a model with, say, a (non-power) hammer, you don't. I fear the same problem will come for SPace Wolves grey hunters. You could have them equiped with a bolter and for +1 pt give them an extra CCW... So if you build them using the regular SW box they have knives, if you use the prospero box they have a chainsword, instant win. Unless further down the line they make any basic CCW +1 attack, which seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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