Archaeinox Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 The last thing we need is more points spent on transports. If we get even the 1/3 CP webway strat that would change things. In fact, I would even drop a rhino outright. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 I would welcome it. It it was like the silver towers of epic. They would grant shielding between towers or when apoc was first released years ago gw made a datasheet with it granting shielding to nearby units and it had quite a bit of firepower on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 If we dont get the "conduit" (especially since theres a PICTURE OF KHAYON IN THE INDEX) Ill be disappointed, super easy to give us something fluffy and fun that is incredibly useful. That being said; theres a few things we can definitely count on getting, I just hope GW doesnt do the "bare minimum" like with Grey Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 If we dont get the "conduit" (especially since theres a PICTURE OF KHAYON IN THE INDEX) Ill be disappointed, super easy to give us something fluffy and fun that is incredibly useful. Â That being said; theres a few things we can definitely count on getting, I just hope GW doesnt do the "bare minimum" like with Grey Knights. I certainly hope not, especially with the proposed changes to Smite we definitely need some tricks because Smite spam won't be a thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nym Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 If we get minimum treatment there'll be a few used TS miniatures on sale at my LGS... Because right now we're in a terrible spot. Â Every game I play I feel more and more pushed towards using the Changeling and Brimstones, even though I don't want to use Daemons. I'll probably end up running 2 Defilers, 2 Maulerfiends, 1 Heldrake and the Changeling, with Brimstones and a few walking Rubrics. Not really Thousand Sons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 If we get minimum treatment there'll be a few used TS miniatures on sale at my LGS... Because right now we're in a terrible spot.  Every game I play I feel more and more pushed towards using the Changeling and Brimstones, even though I don't want to use Daemons. I'll probably end up running 2 Defilers, 2 Maulerfiends, 1 Heldrake and the Changeling, with Brimstones and a few walking Rubrics. Not really Thousand Sons.  To be fair a defiler, mauler, and forgefiend end up in my lists quite frequently, and if my opponent is a WAAC or tourney player, or using a super competitive list (comparatively...) I would toss in changeling. even with us on the back foot, rubrics are quite good. Once we have access to a trait + strats we will be fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 Out my last two games, i have lost rather badly. My last game was more my lack tactical acumen then anything else, but it is more than frustrating to see Dark Angels or Admech. I do xyz, plus abc becuase of this character and 123 because of this strategem and i have this relic and such and such  As far demons go, i have a patrol of Tzeentch demons...well a herald on a chariot and one squad of horrors. They do more than my Tzaangors do. Of course that last game i had a squad of Rubrics get wiped 1st turn by those mars attacks robots with 36 shots rolling all failed hits because of Cawl or whatever.  We just sit there like i guess I'll cast Smite like a bunch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I'm not saying I don't enjoy them, it was just a brutal high loss game. The rules errors didn't help but it was just a raking over coals. Still great entertainment.  I did enjoy this game here:  New tubers and a very good game overall. Checked that out last night while working on rubrics. Good stuff thanks for posting.  Cool tease of the sot next ton DP.  Saw some 1000 sons chatter on 40k comm FB. Someone mentions tzeentch needing love, GW pointed the 2016 and 17 release as huge for Tzeentch. Said poster points out all the extras deathguard got in comparison (elites, tanks etc...) 40kFB says well your codex is not out yet is it?  Hmmmm, that some seeious teasing. Images of 1000 sons vehicles flashed across my eyes. Could be nothing... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I will eat my blue ceramite boots if I am wrong, but my guess is that we won't get anything other than Codex + Cards. TBH I'm ok with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodd1888 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017  I'm not saying I don't enjoy them, it was just a brutal high loss game. The rules errors didn't help but it was just a raking over coals. Still great entertainment.  I did enjoy this game here:  New tubers and a very good game overall. Checked that out last night while working on rubrics. Good stuff thanks for posting.  Cool tease of the sot next ton DP.  Saw some 1000 sons chatter on 40k comm FB. Someone mentions tzeentch needing love, GW pointed the 2016 and 17 release as huge for Tzeentch. Said poster points out all the extras deathguard got in comparison (elites, tanks etc...) 40kFB says well your codex is not out yet is it?  Hmmmm, that some seeious teasing. Images of 1000 sons vehicles flashed across my eyes. Could be nothing... I watched this a while ago: https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwi2udzqmbLYAhUSxWMKHZ-DB6MQxa8BCCcwAQ&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov  I'm such a believer we'll get a jetbike like equivalent or a squad of flyers like Ork Deffkopta's. Fast multi-shot units would help solve some rough parts of TSons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 I will eat my blue ceramite boots if I am wrong, but my guess is that we won't get anything other than Codex + Cards. TBH I'm ok with it. I seriously doubt new models, but we are going to need something other than the index ported to a codex to even remain remotely competitive. Right now im looking at building a battalion of Tzeentch demons and battalion of TS and with the intention to maximize synergies with the "Tzeentch" and "Deamon" keywords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 If we get nothing new and "just" get a codex ill definitely do a Tzeentch detachment as well.  I do hope we get "something" even if its only 1 kit.  im sure we will have a decent ruleset, but the waiting is kill me lol.  I still think even with no new kits weve got a decent set to work with. if rubrics/scarabs/tzaangors are properly buffed in the codex it wont even be an issue, except fast attack.....that we literally have nothing but 1 slot in the "spawn". Including forgeworld we are a fair bit better off, as my FLGS forgeworlds common its less of an issue.  Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I would guess Tau and Necrons in Feb, since they didnt get CA updates, hopefully we are out around March. Â We definitely don't have enough units to make a pure list viable, I currently run TS/AL/Demon mix. With the majority in TS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 They could make characters out of the exalted sorcerers kit. I'm not expecting that, but it seems no effort need be expended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4970994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 They could make characters out of the exalted sorcerers kit. I'm not expecting that, but it seems no effort need be expended. Really? That's funny because that's exactly what I'm expecting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Just a bunch more characters seems lame, we have good characters alreadt. It would be cool if they could incorporate dark mechanicum/automaton, demons etc into the main list so you could do it without detachments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 In my opinion we don't need more HQs, but that seems to be where many newer models tend to reside. I also would like to see some fast attack options other than spawn, but if that happens, I suspect they'll be a daemonic engine of some sort. After all, the rubric theme seems to rule out most "CSM" unit options. Â I don't see a technomancy theme of using psychics to control automata in this game. That'd be cool in my book, but I suspect daemons and daemonic engines are our destiny the eyes of the designers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 im telling ya; auras are going to be the big thing. (conjecture incoming!)  I dont know if we will get "new characters" perse, but it would be incredibly easy to make us match Death guard in this regard. 5 "elite slot" sorcerers with the same stats as the HQ sorcerers (wounds and 3+ to hit/bs, 3 attacks), 4 wounds, can cast 1 spell each, now spell + smite, and have the stats of the basic HQ sorcerer. They have 1 aura, each of the five represents a "cult", and each aura effects units within 3 (or 6) inchs based upon the aura in question. One aura for each cult. Thus being 5 auras. This would put our aura list at about even with the DG, would take no new "kits" as the Exalted kit fits the bill, I would hope that the GW design team at least gives it this much thought if we aren't getting new kits. In my opinion we don't need more HQs, but that seems to be where many newer models tend to reside. I also would like to see some fast attack options other than spawn, but if that happens, I suspect they'll be a daemonic engine of some sort. After all, the rubric theme seems to rule out most "CSM" unit options.  I don't see a technomancy theme of using psychics to control automata in this game. That'd be cool in my book, but I suspect daemons and daemonic engines are our destiny the eyes of the designers.  You may be right on that assumption, Our current list of unique units is okay as 4 is not bad. but we need subsantial supplements from daemons to make the list self-sufficient, luckily 8th works pretty well for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 If the designers go the cult route, maybe we could get something akin to the various war bands from the banished "Wrath of Magnus" supplement inasmuch as we get some cool illustrations. :) I haven't found auras to be all that in my experience, but then I'm below average in the gaming aspects. I'm not putting down the idea, just want more - its human nature. Â I still like the automata idea as it complements the existing rubric rules and harkens back to 30K 'Sons. Â I'd also like something that doesn't play so much like a poor man's gun line, but maybe that's my choice of units; I don't have daemons in my existing lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Just finished reading The crimson king, and there is a swordsmen that uses his psychic power to be a super sick fighter, and beats down Lucius a few times. Would be cool to have combat focused haracters/units, or something different for the different schools (corvidae, Pyrae, etc) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivanmukta Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Just finished reading The crimson king, and there is a swordsmen that uses his psychic power to be a super sick fighter, and beats down Lucius a few times. Would be cool to have combat focused haracters/units, or something different for the different schools (corvidae, Pyrae, etc) I believe that is Sanakht. While never explicitly stated I'd assume he was a member of the Khenetai Occut, which were the Thousand Sons melee fighters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grendaxe Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Personally i would like them to make our sorcerers more in the way of the books describe sorcerers. More in the direction of actual center pieces of damage output for a TS army. Rather than being a copy of a librarian which functions as as a support unit for their the rest of the army. Sure it would require massive bump up in point cost but if they are worth it does it matter?  Also i'm not sure if they should do so much with cults. Yes, pre-heresy they were all part of a cult but after being in the warp such a long time most of them have completely abandoned their "astartes" background and focused purely on the warp. One of reasons why they are all purely sorcerers now and not librarians,apothecaries etc. I feel like at this point it should be (and remain) more of a 30k thing. They can touch on it of course but imho it shouldn't be at the center of our army.  Should they ever port over 30k to the 8th edition for example i would hate to see them having the exact same auras/buffs/powers etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 So the WD shows Codex: Daemons with 22 total pyschic powers 3 disciplines for Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh, and Dark Hereticus. I dont know if Death Guard has access to Dark Hereticus, but I would take that as a good sign that we will continue to have access to that list in the upcoming codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Death Guard do not have Dark Hereticus- players have been taking CSM detachments in order to use Warptime on Mortarion, for example  Im guessing its for Daemon Princes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4971552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Alleged new Tz powers from dakka  WC6. Reroll a single dice roll later during ur turn. WC5. Pick friendly tz daemon unit within 18". Until next psychic phase, +1 to wound roll. WC8. nearest enemy model wihtin 12, that model's unit and every other unit (friend or foe) within 3'' of that model , suffers d3 MW. Suffer D6 MW, if power manifested with more than psychic roll of 12+.   All of those are pretty sick. I can only hope that our discipline includes powers of that scale. The first one is SUPER fluffy for demons and thousand sons if they both get it.. probably dreaming, but still.  Imagine using your command points for cool stratagems and farming the re-roll during the psychic phase that can be used on a bad Perils later in the turn or a damage from a predator lascannon for example! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/12/#findComment-4972126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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