Marshal Vespasian Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I am not sure the - 4 ap is the big thing here. I think - 1 on chainswords and - 3 on axes will be really strong. Most things we want to hit with hammers will have 4+ or 5+ invulnerable save anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Doesn't the assault doctrine mean all basic intercessor attacks strike with the same AP as a chainsword? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Yes it does. Thing is 5 man intercessor squads dont want to get into melee I think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Oh but they will...they will... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Arthur Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Hopefully there's a stratagem to change your doctrine prematurely. Imagine using the tactical doctrine turn one with a bunch of LRCs full of chainsword wielding crusaders. Those hurricane bolters will melt infantry and even threaten more durable things through weight of dice. Then, on turn two switch to the assault doctrine and have your massive crusader squads charge forth to rip and tear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Laeroth Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 This will make large crusader squads VERY interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I'm planning on running full primaris, Squads of 5 intercessors on impulsors supported by dakka dreads, and God Emperor willing Emperor Champion and Marshall/Castellans. Everything that can hold a power sword will have one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 After seeing how the BA, DA and SW have got on today, is everyone else feeling a little bit more pleased to be safe and snug in Codex:Space Marines? Â What a week! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 After seeing how the BA, DA and SW have got on today, is everyone else feeling a little bit more pleased to be safe and snug in Codex:Space Marines?  What a week! Not really. Because in the end they will have a standalone release, and wont be part of a supplement or even forgotten, and get as good or better rules. But I may be complaining to early, let's see how we are treated by the end of this release. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 But that could be 18 months away of its anything like last time. I'm pretty happy so far, its more than I hoped for, and we know they aren't finished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Arthur Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I’m fine with it. I would prefer our own codex but at least we’ll likely be a part of a supplement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Still missing the Info on what the chaplains will do and how the Supplements will look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Laeroth Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Well, the math works out to be about 56% chance to make a successful charge now. That is an 8% improvement. Not bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I am not sure the - 4 ap is the big thing here. I think - 1 on chainswords and - 3 on axes will be really strong. Most things we want to hit with hammers will have 4+ or 5+ invulnerable save anyways. not a Knight... with Helbrecht we dont need Axes.. Swords are the answer ;) Doesn't the assault doctrine mean all basic intercessor attacks strike with the same AP as a chainsword? no - thats wrong. assault doctrine means we all get -1 ap additional... Means Hammers, swords, fists have -4ap while normal attacks have -1 and axes have -3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 This will make large crusader squads VERY interesting. ohh YES Â Â After seeing how the BA, DA and SW have got on today, is everyone else feeling a little bit more pleased to be safe and snug in Codex:Space Marines? Â What a week! Â ironicly - for the moment YES. After seeing how the BA, DA and SW have got on today, is everyone else feeling a little bit more pleased to be safe and snug in Codex:Space Marines? Â What a week! Â Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Like I said on the N&R, after seeing the UM focus, I'm finding it hard to believe that BT and CF will be part of the IF supplement. Â It would be basically dividing a supplement for 3 different armies. Â While CF can share the modus operandi with IF despite a different CT, I dont think Templars will fit there. I'm having Angel's of Death flashbacks. Â I hope I will be proven wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 If we're not, then either our own, or at worst something like the blood ravens got. I feel increasingly it's gonna be o ne of the three, but I'm losing any baring on which. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 My main worry now is... what happens next. Marines got a significant boost there. If it's the same now for all subsequent codexes, then we're back to the proverbial powercreep train. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5361981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I cannot see us being a WD supplement. Just no way. That's way too much info for a supplement, with at least four data sheets, (Four being the worst case scenario of losing crusader squads, but keeping all of the specialist units with separate models which cannot be represented with another data sheet.) Plus relics and stratagems. (We need at least one stratagem to give us a deny power.) Â Faith brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5362000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I left a comment on the FB page mentioning the unease some of us are feeling about our place in this release. I know they gonna beat around the bush, but who knows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5362040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Well we will have to see. On the Plus side: The um supplement, from what was shown, synergizes well with the um ct. They brought back a much loved oldmarine unit with the Tyrannic war vets. There is a wealth of stuff in there which I feel behooves a first founding chapter. Â We can expect something similar for each chapter getting a supplement I think. Â I hope we get one and with the sind of Dorn being the first ones to be mentioned in the inital article I dont think we have been forgotten. Â And even if we should have been forgotten we will still be way better off than last week. Â I want this to be my zeal place. Full of chains and swords and knightly robes far from the sniffling of minmaxing tournament players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5362042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Everyone needs to relax, we will be fine. They will give our due treatment and we'll be able to field the units we have now at the very least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5362141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019   https://youtu.be/ApAth15BXVc  (If a mod who knows how could hit me up with an embed, I will be very grateful.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5362145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Â (If a mod who knows how could hit me up with an embed, I will be very grateful.) Nevermind, just music. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5362146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Everyone needs to relax, we will be fine. They will give our due treatment and we'll be able to field the units we have now at the very least.Indeed. If anything, the format of that release (core book + supplements) should be viewed as encouraging for all the marine subfactions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/8/#findComment-5362365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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