PeteySödes Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Yea I’d far prefer an internally balanced codex where all the units can work vs. the must includes. If we can actually use all our units IMO we’re already more than halfway to fielding the various great companies. Especially if you consider the current detachment rules the more robust versions of what we’ve had in previous editions. Edited March 13, 2020 by PeteySödes Triszin and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 The two of you have given me an idea for an awesome strat...a unit starts to turn Wulfen midgame Infantry only Cant shoot any more Extra attack, strength increases,reroll charges, advance and charge, mandatory charge Only negative about this is wulfen only have S4 any way. And isn't that pretty similar to the lone wolf strat (except this only applies to one model) Little bit similar but Lone Wolf makes it a character and RR all failed hits and wounds. You can playbit on a longfang if you want This is more about a unit succumbing to the canis helix than one guy avenging his packmates. It might have to be 3 cp and maybe a limit size of 5 in the unit, or else we're back to supercharging Blood Claw bombs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 preview up. video confirms doctrines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 preview up. video confirms doctrines This makes me so sad, guess we're codex compliant now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 This makes me so sad, guess we're codex compliant now?How does that one thing automatically make the Wolves Codex-compliant? I'm sad because I was really hoping for a bit more creativity out of the GW rules writes, but hope really is the first step toward disappointment, it seems. The faster GW gets all the generic Primaris out, the better - this is getting old. The Wolves could have at least gotten a little throwing axes upgrade pack for the Incursors or something, even if it didn't change any of the rules for the unit (and truthfully, it really shouldn't, as a throwing bladed weapon for a Space Marine is likely identical to any other, no need to give them "bespoke" stat changes for no reason). TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 My prediction is we got half assed copy paste marine treatment with minor changes for fluff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oshikai Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I am just hoping its an mistake as with the whole Stormraven for Space Wolves Thing. Yeah, Hope leads to dissapointment. Nothing against Doctrines...but it would lack creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/15/sunday-preview-beasts-vs-other-beasts/ 10 infiltrators and Ragnar vs Ghaz, his assistant, 2 grot?, 5 Boyz, 3 big mek. Pretty uneven if you ask me. I will be skipping this box set. Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I’m torn about splitting the box. The value is in favor of the orks. Although the orks would make good conversion pieces to add to my converted GSC army. It’s all ad mech right now but Orks would make okay conversion flesh too. Hmmmm.... I’m excited for doctrines. We don’t exactly know what they’re doing with them. But for other chapters small deviations made it very fluffy. Hopefully they preview our super doctrine this week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) The SW value is 50 GBP without box discount. Ghaz alone will cost that much I think, plus 20 for Boyz and 38 for big mek for a total of ~108 GBP. So 158 with no discount, 110 with discount maybe? Then you need to factor in 2 books... If I split it I would pay more than 1/3 the box price, if there were 2 books. Edited March 15, 2020 by Jarl Caldersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 The SW value is 50 GBP without box discount. Ghaz alone will cost that much I think, plus 20 for Boyz and 38 for big mek for a total of ~108 GBP. So 258 with no discount, 110 with discount maybe? Then you need to factor in 2 books... If I split it I would pay more than 1/3 the box price, if there were 2 books. Saga of the Beast wont be in the box though? Itll be separate? Who gets the campaign book in the box is the tricky one Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 The SW value is 50 GBP without box discount. Ghaz alone will cost that much I think, plus 20 for Boyz and 38 for big mek for a total of ~108 GBP. So 258 with no discount, 110 with discount maybe? Then you need to factor in 2 books... If I split it I would pay more than 1/3 the box price, if there were 2 books. Saga of the Beast wont be in the box though? Itll be separate? Who gets the campaign book in the box is the tricky one No PA books, I meant 2 books, as in the campaign book and the mini-rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 Ah getcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) lets hope they ll do us justice this time ruleswise ...as for the box there is too much tax for ragnar IMO PS: cant wait for wolves preview ... Edited March 15, 2020 by lonewolf81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 lets hope they ll do us justice this time ruleswise ...as for the box there is too much tax for ragnar IMO PS: cant wait for wolves preview ... Really hope our big preview is tomorrow not Wednesday or Thursday Am hoping it is as they did Ghaz's full datasheet today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 preview up. video confirms doctrines On the one hand I am disappointed we are not getting something more characterful but on the other, at least we won't be left behind the curve. BAs did pretty well out of their PA book. If we come out as well, I will be pretty satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) I'm hoping we get a tactical doctrine buff but I'm expecting we get an assault doctrine buff. The thing about blood Angels is the +1 to wound means everything is deadly. Edited March 15, 2020 by The Saint Ragnar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 This makes me so sad, guess we're codex compliant now?How does that one thing automatically make the Wolves Codex-compliant? I'm sad because I was really hoping for a bit more creativity out of the GW rules writes, but hope really is the first step toward disappointment, it seems. The faster GW gets all the generic Primaris out, the better - this is getting old. The Wolves could have at least gotten a little throwing axes upgrade pack for the Incursors or something, even if it didn't change any of the rules for the unit (and truthfully, it really shouldn't, as a throwing bladed weapon for a Space Marine is likely identical to any other, no need to give them "bespoke" stat changes for no reason). Because unless my memory fails me Doctrines were bonuses for following the Codex Astartes "devastate, tactical advance, assault" the way war is supposed to be fought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) Things we are very likely to get based on what the other non codex marines got (from marine codex) Datasheets for Primaris units out since our codex came out and new datasheets for Wolf Priests to include doctrines One unique litany? Doctrines plus our unique doctrine bonus Maybe not new but definitely tidied up/redone warlord traits Probably not a new set of exclusive psychic powers but maybe some changes Strats, the good ones Duty Eternal: 1cp halves damage for a phase on a dread, handy for Bjorn or shield dread Hero of the Chapter: 1cp second character gets Warlord trait Transhuman physiology: 2cp wound rolls of 1 to 3 always fail, last one phase, doesnt apply to vehicles Vengeance of the machine spirit: 2cp landraider, repulsor, or big flyer auto explodes. Nasty Gene wrought might: 1cp roll of 6 to hit autowounds in melee for primaris unit Generic relics: 5++ rr any charge dice 3' aura +1 damage on a weapon Given weve such good named characters and 2 good relics already not sure how many we get to actually use Edited March 15, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 This makes me so sad, guess we're codex compliant now?How does that one thing automatically make the Wolves Codex-compliant? I'm sad because I was really hoping for a bit more creativity out of the GW rules writes, but hope really is the first step toward disappointment, it seems. The faster GW gets all the generic Primaris out, the better - this is getting old. The Wolves could have at least gotten a little throwing axes upgrade pack for the Incursors or something, even if it didn't change any of the rules for the unit (and truthfully, it really shouldn't, as a throwing bladed weapon for a Space Marine is likely identical to any other, no need to give them "bespoke" stat changes for no reason). Because unless my memory fails me Doctrines were bonuses for following the Codex Astartes "devastate, tactical advance, assault" the way war is supposed to be fought The doctrines are supposed to show how space marines wage war. Space wolves don't follow the codex as far as overall numbers, training, and organization are concerned. That said they still use mostly the same equipment and their tactics are gonna to be similar. It makes sense for them to maximize those traits in the same order. Wolf Guard Dan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I will be disappointed when GW gives us copy-paste doctrines to follow. I’m still hopeful that we get unique rules that match the lore where Russ took Girlyman’s codex and gave it to his chapter to be used as toilet paper, instead choosing to wage war the Fenrisian way. Sarto ripped claw 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I will be disappointed when GW gives us copy-paste doctrines to follow. I’m still hopeful that we get unique rules that match the lore where Russ took Girlyman’s codex and gave it to his chapter to be used as toilet paper, instead choosing to wage war the Fenrisian way. How do they wage war differently? Do long fangs not go after priority targets to cover the advance, do grey hunters not advance to secure objectives, and do blood claws not seek glory by assaulting things? With the equipment marines have the combat doctrines make alot sense whether you follow the codex or not. We aren't an army of space wizards who can shroud themselves and then go all in on mind bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 The way it’s different is that the lore specifically says that we don follow the doctrines of the codex astartes Sarto ripped claw 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Because unless my memory fails me Doctrines were bonuses for following the Codex Astartes "devastate, tactical advance, assault" the way war is supposed to be fought The doctrines are supposed to show how space marines wage war. Space wolves don't follow the codex as far as overall numbers, training, and organization are concerned. That said they still use mostly the same equipment and their tactics are gonna to be similar. It makes sense for them to maximize those traits in the same order. How do they wage war differently? Do long fangs not go after priority targets to cover the advance, do grey hunters not advance to secure objectives, and do blood claws not seek glory by assaulting things? With the equipment marines have the combat doctrines make alot sense whether you follow the codex or not. We aren't an army of space wizards who can shroud themselves and then go all in on mind bullets. The way it’s different is that the lore specifically says that we don follow the doctrines of the codex astartesJorim hits it exactly - even though we have different squad names and make ups, the basic usage of the squads is approximately the same - that doesn't make a Chapter Codex-compliant. There are many things that make the Space Wolves not Codex-compliant, and waging war in a way that makes sense doesn't. Now, the Doctrine explanation in the C:SM does say that it's following the Codex, but as soon as we get to Blood of Baal (which really wasn't that long after), we see that the comment about the Codex is already gone - "When the Adeptus Astartes fight alongside their battle-brothers they employ a strict set of combat doctrines.". Once we get to Ritual of the Damned, there's not even a fluff comment behind it at all. So given this altering stance, I think we'd be safe to say that it doesn't really have anything to do with the Codex, and has more to do with (as Jorim said) just being how Space Marines fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watcher Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) I'm interested to see what they mean by "new/refined and expanded datasheets". Hopefully, this is a indicator to Wolf Guard possibilities for Primaris. I, however, cant help but think we got shafted a bit on what they have teased so far. The Orks in the box rules wise (and price) outweigh the Space Wolves featured quite heavily. And from the description, it would seem the orks received more flavor and expansions rules-wise than we did. Of course we have yet to confirm this and hopefully the next teaser will clear that up a bit. It would be nice to know for sure that we're equally showcased in this part of Psychic Awakening. Edited March 16, 2020 by Watcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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