SnorriSnorrison Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Now all we need is an advance-and-charge strategem and christmas has come early indeed! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I was thinking about using the FT rules for my killy guys, but honestly I hate rolling on 6s and +1 to charges is just so much better lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Eisenhorn Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I figured Primaris death company were coming either way so I had made up a single DC guy for kill team, looks like I have a rubric to follow for more now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hintzy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Current rumour (same source as the others above)... Â Red Thirst now ALSO grants +1 to Charge & Advance rolls. Â BIG. IF. TRUE. Â Transhuman Physiology Strat is also apparently in the book. That's fantastic news! Too bad the chaplain litany isn't cumulative, but a win is a win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Current rumour (same source as the others above)...  Red Thirst now ALSO grants +1 to Charge & Advance rolls.  BIG. IF. TRUE.  Transhuman Physiology Strat is also apparently in the book.    (I mean, our vehicles, I guess, but I'll take it. Can you say +1 Charge from Red Thirst +2 from Litany +2 from rumored Relic banner for basically guaranteed charges on a roll of a 7+, which is the statistical average range rolled?)  *if true. <fingers crossed>  Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Be still, Indy, our CT also apparently extending to vehicles :) Â DC with a Jump pack apparently 18pts now, down 2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Be still, Indy, our CT also apparently extending to vehicles :) Â DC with a Jump pack apparently 18pts now, down 2. Where is that rumor page that you draw this information from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The BA discord server.  Usually a hive of scum and villainy, but i'm making an exception for spicy leaks.  Update: People be mad I posted this link so ima delete it for now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Thanks! I’ll heed the warning Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuralshock Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 Current rumour (same source as the others above)...  Red Thirst now ALSO grants +1 to Charge & Advance rolls.  BIG. IF. TRUE.  Transhuman Physiology Strat is also apparently in the book. I'm about this life, shame canticle of hate explicitly states that it's not cumulative with other bonuses  If death masks give a -1 to hit instead of -1 ld that's a huge gain for 2 points even as a strat it's massive for the survivability of the unit. Even if they're sitting in the middle of the board posing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hintzy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just like that I've gone from underwhelmed to excited. Hopefully these turn out to be true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The Discord server is drip feeding leaks....too many spread out to accurately account for, but a few things of note:  -Transhuman Pnysiology (a unit can't be wounded on better than 4+) is in -Hammer of Wrath (models with Jump Packs that charge into base-to-base contact cause MW on 5+) is in -Apparently we do not get an ability to leap forward a Doctrine -There's a Strat that boosts FNP to 5+++ for any <Death Company> unit so applies to DC Dreads, Captains, etc....  So long as Forlorn Fury stays in there, I think jump pack DC will be in almost every list I take. Talk about a mind :cuss for your opponent: 1. Deploy aggressively 2. Forlorn Fury them forward up to 18" 3. Charge in an cause up to 15 Mortal Wounds before you even hit with a truck load of attacks. 4. Rinse and repeat and keep getting better at attacking as you go until you're at Turn 3 + with ridiculousness  ...and if they focus fire on DC (which the smart opponent should), then you pop Transhuman and the 5+++. Best part is, you don't even care if they survive since it's all a Distraction Carnifex for Capt Smash/SG/VV/even-better-Dreadnoughts to push forward to do the heavy lifting.  :cuss me I like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just like that I've gone from underwhelmed to excited. Hopefully these turn out to be true. Today was an update on Tyranids, perhaps we’ll see BA part 2 this week yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Firstly, it is till possible we'll get veteran intercessors via a stragem. I think the reason DC intercessors are a datasheet and elites is so people can't double up on stratagems and create uber veteran, DC, snowflake intercessors. Secondly does anyone know if DC intercessors can take two melee weapons period, or whether it's one per five? Also I don't think they're as rubbish as others a making out, they're, unless you were planning to go full candy and give every death company marine a special melee weapon or special pistol, a better version of footslogging DC. My DC are armed with bolters and chains words with jump packs. Intercessors basically are footslogging versions with same number of attacks and better ranged weapon and an extra wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Firstly, it is till possible we'll get veteran intercessors via a stragem. I think the reason DC intercessors are a datasheet and elites is so people can't double up on stratagems and create uber veteran, DC, snowflake intercessors. Secondly does anyone know if DC intercessors can take two melee weapons period, or whether it's one per five? Also I don't think they're as rubbish as others a making out, they're, unless you were planning to go full candy and give every death company marine a special melee weapon or special pistol, a better version of footslogging DC. My DC are armed with bolters and chains words with jump packs. Intercessors basically are footslogging versions with same number of attacks and better ranged weapon and an extra wound. Â The tradeoff for me with Jump DC vs DC Intercessors is that the "better" bolters will not benefit from Bolter Discipline most of the time you use them since you're probably going to want to sling anything <Death Company> at the enemy. Jump DC with bolters + weapons means you can get into Rapid Fire range reliably. Â Also, I'm hoping Forlorn Fury is still a thing since that made DC sooooooo much. And Jump DC can get a potential 18" "free" move with it and then another 12" move + 2D6 +1 " charge compared to up to 12" FF forward then 6" move then 2D6Â +1" charge for DC Intercessors. That's huge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 New relics:  - The Librarian one from the WarCom article  - +2 to move for jumpack units( Relic for sang ancient only)  - some crap bolt rifle  - a relic crozius - a new jumpack which allows you to fall back and charge and +1 to the charge roll   Also a Stratagem to give a second character a Warlord trait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Does anyone know whether these new relics replace the ones in the codex, or are they additional? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 It's a supplement. Supplements ADD to the Codex, not replace unless it's the same thing but different like datasheet updates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuralshock Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 We are going to start the game with 0 cp if this is any indication Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Cool. Didn't want to lose my Angel's Wing and considering there's another special snowflake JP in the rumours I wasn't sure. But even more choice is great. Having trouble choosing which relics/stratagems to use is a GOOD problem to have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 There are a ton of good stratagems to use. Instead of pumping all our CP into our Captain and re-rolls we now have to really decide what to use. Basically how Stratagems are supposed to work. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 New relics: - The Librarian one from the WarCom article - +2 to move for jumpack units( Relic for sang ancient only) - some crap bolt rifle - a relic crozius - a new jumpack which allows you to fall back and charge and +1 to the charge roll   Also a Stratagem to give a second character a Warlord trait. F still no decent relic sword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Yeah that's a bummer, but the new relic JP sounds like lots of fun. Basically permanent red thirst and super mobility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The Discord server is drip feeding leaks....too many spread out to accurately account for, but a few things of note:  -Transhuman Pnysiology (a unit can't be wounded on better than 4+) is in -Hammer of Wrath (models with Jump Packs that charge into base-to-base contact cause MW on 5+) is in -Apparently we do not get an ability to leap forward a Doctrine -There's a Strat that boosts FNP to 5+++ for any <Death Company> unit so applies to DC Dreads, Captains, etc....  So long as Forlorn Fury stays in there, I think jump pack DC will be in almost every list I take. Talk about a mind :cuss for your opponent: 1. Deploy aggressively 2. Forlorn Fury them forward up to 18" 3. Charge in an cause up to 15 Mortal Wounds before you even hit with a truck load of attacks. 4. Rinse and repeat and keep getting better at attacking as you go until you're at Turn 3 + with ridiculousness  ...and if they focus fire on DC (which the smart opponent should), then you pop Transhuman and the 5+++. Best part is, you don't even care if they survive since it's all a Distraction Carnifex for Capt Smash/SG/VV/even-better-Dreadnoughts to push forward to do the heavy lifting.  :cuss me I like it. Any definite word on veteran intercessors? Probably not happening but does anyone know "for sure" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Better DC, cheaper Sanguinary Guard, interesting relics and stratagems. I think Christmas has come early. These guys will be very, very pleased! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359365-new-mephistonpsychic-awakening-p3/page/27/#findComment-5435839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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