the BIG 9th edition room

[Prot]

So GW have tried to stop conga lines with new coherency rules. Units of six or more models must have coherency with two other models in the unit.

 

But what is to stop this:

 

 

 

X                                   X

   X   X   X   X   X   X   X

X                                   X

 

 

?

 

I think the new rules have more meaning. I believe it will be harder for a larger squad to wrap now.

 

Also the idea of stretching to multiple objectives, or an aura and an objective is now a little less possible.

 

However, for bases under 1" (IE: Cultists, Scouts, etc) can you not still simply make a slightly less shorter line?:  XXX    X    XXX 

 

I guess it still helps prevent it.

 

 

and you cannot charge if your unit disembarked from a destroyed transport model. Thats massive stupid.

 

Where is this from? Is this literally the rule? Is it battle round or turn?  

 

This would be horrid. It reminds me of the disasterous 4th edition "Entanglement rule" which I often named my Rhino's after: "Entanglement 1" and "Entanglement 2". 

[Medjugorje]

 

So GW have tried to stop conga lines with new coherency rules. Units of six or more models must have coherency with two other models in the unit.

 

But what is to stop this:

 

 

 

X                                   X

   X   X   X   X   X   X   X

X                                   X

 

 

?

 

I think the new rules have more meaning. I believe it will be harder for a larger squad to wrap now.

 

Also the idea of stretching to multiple objectives, or an aura and an objective is now a little less possible.

 

However, for bases under 1" (IE: Cultists, Scouts, etc) can you not still simply make a slightly less shorter line?:  XXX    X    XXX 

 

I guess it still helps prevent it.

 

 

and you cannot charge if your unit disembarked from a destroyed transport model. Thats massive stupid.

 

Where is this from? Is this literally the rule? Is it battle round or turn?  

 

This would be horrid. It reminds me of the disasterous 4th edition "Entanglement rule" which I often named my Rhino's after: "Entanglement 1" and "Entanglement 2". 

 

I already deleated that because i didnt read exactly. It was just mentioned TURN. which means you could not charge after your transport is gone like before and no heroic intervention (what I find a bit sad).

[Brother Kraskor]

The new Eradicator squad is 5 PL, so maybe on par with Aggressors points-wise. 

 

I reckon these are going to be an even bigger target than Hellblasters are already for any opponent with armour they want to keep safe. And they can only fit in a Repulsor - very expensive investment!

[Sword Brother Adelard]

That destroyed vehicle thing was a core stratagem which sacrifices the normal disembarking rules to disembark further from the vehicle. So, 6" not the usual 3". It ensures you can escape with at least something if the vehicle is completely wrapped.

[Hymnblade]

The new coherency rules also give another way to get out of tri-pointing: pull a model to break coherency, then pull any wrapped models. That's rough for any CC army, but like Desperate Escape, not as bad for us thanks to Tenacious Assault.

 

Where is this from? Is this literally the rule? Is it battle round or turn?

 

That's from the rulebook FAQ, page 2. It's turn, not battle round. The issue was that you could pull stupid tricks, like having a Rhino declare charges on everything in range so it would die to overwatch, and then the unit inside would get out and charge.

 

If your transport is shot down in their turn, you can still charge in your next turn.

 

The new Eradicator squad is 5 PL, so maybe on par with Aggressors points-wise. 

 

I reckon these are going to be an even bigger target than Hellblasters are already for any opponent with armour they want to keep safe. And they can only fit in a Repulsor - very expensive investment!

They make a really good candidate for Strategic Reserves though, and at 5PL you can do two squads for 1CP. 6" from the board edge plus 24" range means they can shoot just about anything on the board when they come in.

 

I've been thinking about lists built around 3x6 Bladeguard in Impulsors, and trying to figure out how to handle fliers. "A couple squads of Eradicators" might be the answer.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

but they already said you have to be in corherency in the next movement phase.

Yeah, but any model not in coherency in the morale phase dies.

[Medjugorje]

 

but they already said you have to be in corherency in the next movement phase.

Yeah, but any model not in coherency in the morale phase dies.

 

I read it  already. So all in all its a bit harder to surround enemies but we can still with 2x pile ins and 6"

[Brother Kraskor]

 

The new Eradicator squad is 5 PL, so maybe on par with Aggressors points-wise. 

 

I reckon these are going to be an even bigger target than Hellblasters are already for any opponent with armour they want to keep safe. And they can only fit in a Repulsor - very expensive investment!

They make a really good candidate for Strategic Reserves though, and at 5PL you can do two squads for 1CP. 6" from the board edge plus 24" range means they can shoot just about anything on the board when they come in.

 

I've been thinking about lists built around 3x6 Bladeguard in Impulsors, and trying to figure out how to handle fliers. "A couple squads of Eradicators" might be the answer.

 

Yes they would make good outflanking candidates. If you've got two of those in reserve, suddenly your opponent cannot place any vehicle within 18" of any board edge. Or even 30" of any board edge (but less effective). 

 

I'm thinking seizing the centre and forcing your opponent inwards toward you to avoid dangerous reserves sounds fun. 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Brother Kraskor

[BitsHammer]

Game length is now 5 rounds:

From the Genestealer Cults Faction Focus: "This, combined with the extra Command point per turn, means that over the standard* new edition game length of 5 battle rounds, you’ll have at least 17 in a game.".

[Brother Kraskor]

Five rounds but with a chance for six or seven on a dice roll I guess? Based on "at least".

[Medjugorje]

new rumors from Natfka :

 

Tactical: 15

Scout: 14

Assault Intercessor: 19

Intercessor: 20

THF Cannon: 130

 

 

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2020/06/9th-edition-rumors.html

 

and a lot of ohter interesting things. 

For myself I have the feeling there are much things which is bad flor close combat armies like reroll for the charge is not allowed by reroll stratagem or surround the enemy because of corherency and because of fall back stratagem but we dont care because we have stratagems or our chapter tactic which goes around the problem. Now I hope that our crusader squad is a bit cheaper then tactical / scout.

Edited June 30, 2020 by Medjugorje

[Brother Kraskor]

Interesting! Not totally list-breaking.

[Medjugorje]

My greatest fear is that we are still too dependent from our characters because we dont have any rule which would help us if its really gonna be a MSU edition.

[Brother Kraskor]

Courage and faith brother! Let the xenos have their MSU - meet it with big fat Crusader squads!

[BitsHammer]

Those points come from a thread on /tg/ so take with much salt.

[Medjugorje]

Courage and faith brother! Let the xenos have their MSU - meet it with big fat Crusader squads!

that MSU will be strong is said by the official play tester ( frontline gaming  podcast )... 

 

 

I played one game with everything we know already and finished just half an hour ago.

I was wiped out by Death guard but won the game by 69:53. I dont like the ITC-Style missions. I really prefer playing with cards (even in our tournaments).

 

Dreads are really good. Sword Brethren stratagem for 2 CP is still not worth it but 5+++ in close combat is if you play that many bodyguards like i do (and they gonna really important.

[BitsHammer]

Frontline also said Grey Knights would break the meta when they got their codex and said the Stompa was good.

 

Reece is bad at predicting the meta.

[Medjugorje]

Frontline also said Grey Knights would break the meta when they got their codex and said the Stompa was good.

 

Reece is bad at predicting the meta.

 

 

haha - thats correct. he predicted that Imperial fists would be the main Space Marine army that is played (before any Supplement was released) and Iron Hands is the "secret" winner. Then everybody played Iron hands.

 

But all rules we can see for now I think he is correct. characters are cost too much because there are not enough slots  (2-3 for a battallion/patrole detachment), so we will maybe see more armies they can fight without characters who help them out like master artisans ... because it will be important that your flanking units will perform well. 

[BitsHammer]

 

Frontline also said Grey Knights would break the meta when they got their codex and said the Stompa was good.

 

Reece is bad at predicting the meta.

 

 

haha - thats correct. he predicted that Imperial fists would be the main Space Marine army that is played (before any Supplement was released) and Iron Hands is the "secret" winner. Then everybody played Iron hands.

 

But all rules we can see for now I think he is correct. characters are cost too much because there are not enough slots  (2-3 for a battallion/patrole detachment), so we will maybe see more armies they can fight without characters who help them out like master artisans ... because it will be important that your flanking units will perform well. 

 

I feel like it's the obvious choice, but obvious isn't always best.

 

I mean I did the math yesterday over on Dakka and a Battlecannon hitting a mob of Orks only did 1.05 extra wounds to an unbuffed squad. And yet blasts are "obviously" going to wreck hordes, yet everyone is saying Hordes are dead, so people aren't looking to take blasts which makes hordes the skew list now.

 

Honestly I feel there will be reasons to take large units, we just need to run stuff on the table and get a real feel for the game. It's easy to say "X is better than Y" when you can't see everything, but we won't know until we actually try X and Y and see which is better for us as individual players.

[BitsHammer]

Possible Blast Weapon leak:

[painting.for.my.sanity]

Seeing rumours of a Bike Chaplain over on /r/warhammercompetitive - I'm very excited about running one plus a big blob of Outriders in 9th.

[Medjugorje]

I think that guy will be our next must have.

[BitsHammer]

[Sete]

Hey what's that Valerian and Aleya?

Got better pics of those?

And primaris chaplain on bike!

Edited July 1, 2020 by Sete

[Hymnblade]

Bladeguard and Outriders are fixed 3 per squad? Ew. I hope that's not forever.