Urkh Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Didn't they say at the bottom of the new codex war com article that the dark angels book is releasing early 2021 alongside the first xenos book of 2021? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5602942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Yep they did. Hopefully we will eventually get a model or 2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5602973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Realistically, we will either get new models or legends. GW want to get shot of Finecast at some point and move everything to plastic. As all of our unique stuff is resin, it has to go somehow. So, either we get new stuff, or we die out entirely. painting.for.my.sanity and Sete 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5602976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Holy crap is having our own codex or supplement seriously the only thing you guys want to talk about anymore? I just get so tired of hearing it. Marshal Reinhard, Marshal Laeroth and Crimson cowboy 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Agreed. And even more than a proper supplement, I actually want new fresh models. That'd do me more than any collection of fluff and crunch ever could. painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Valkenhayn Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I want a good book. Not a rules book, but a lore book. Another story where we're the focus rather than the red shirts along for the ride to prop up Sisters or someone else more important. But I somehow doubt 9th is the edition where we'll get that recognition again. It's UM or bust forever. Sword Brother Adelard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Holy crap is having our own codex or supplement seriously the only thing you guys want to talk about anymore? I just get so tired of hearing it. sorry- but yes. Its so fundamental important for me how much love my army will get in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 In good news on the only topic that matters...The core changes also invalidate our HQ datasheets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordValandil Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 In good news on the only topic that matters... The core changes also invalidate our HQ datasheets. Oo, you’re right! So no more Emperors Champion getting buffed by Helbrecht to be S8 and whatnot. Interesting.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 In good news on the only topic that matters... The core changes also invalidate our HQ datasheets. Oo, you’re right! So no more Emperors Champion getting buffed by Helbrecht to be S8 and whatnot. Interesting.... Remember that GW do things half arsed with the Templar. It could end up we just keep using the Faith and Fury rules with no errata/changes for some time meaning the three special characters would work well together but the Crusader Squad would not get anything of use from characters in the new codex as they will lack the word CORE. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 My point is that the more the datasheets are invalidated, the more there is a need to print them anew elsewhere... They will be errata'd on day one I imagine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) Books and rules are fleeting and temporary. Point is we're already discussing the obsolescence of Faith and Fury. Already! No, give me new models. Models do last "forever"(at least decades. Last BT kit is from 15 years ago. In that time any potential new model would go through multiple cycles of rules that we have zero guarantees will stay useful.) That we had the 4th edition codex for as long as we did was an anomaly. Tldr, don't stake your hopes and dreams on impermanent rules, stake them on models, the only long term support that matters. Edited September 17, 2020 by Reinhard CastellanDeMolay and Sword Brother Adelard 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Which brings me back to my point above about either getting new models or squatted. Even a single new plastic model for us will be massive, because it guarantees us longevity as a faction. GenerationTerrorist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I expect nothing. In good news on the only topic that matters...The core changes also invalidate our HQ datasheets. How so? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 As they are currently printed, they will need erratas to function. Now that things like the Core keyword and it's interactions exist. I think this means they will need to reprint them somewhere, which may as well be a supplement. Although, you can all kick me later when we get an Index Astartes in White Dwarf! Medjugorje and Sete 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) A WD index would make sense. CF had one, now the wrong kind of Templars, but might take a while. I do not see them getting rid of our chars without updating, especially since the 3 are pretty much iconic, But i also do not see them on a hurry to update them. I think that we might see BT in a box vs someone like sw and orks had beguining of the year. I have a feeling that the Ec might move into Elites, since his HQ role is just to beat people up. But hey its all speculation. edit: Wont we have the Chapter aproved thingie? Theres our update. Edited September 17, 2020 by Sete painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 In good news on the only topic that matters... The core changes also invalidate our HQ datasheets. Oo, you’re right! So no more Emperors Champion getting buffed by Helbrecht to be S8 and whatnot. Interesting.... but other characters dont get the amount of rerolls as the emperors champion get. What makes him a bit better Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Comparatively, definitely. My biggest bugbear with the EC at the moment is that he's a HQ. I'd rather he be an Elite, or slotless. Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 PA faith and fury will stay the same except a few units get the "core keyword" and sadly a few buffs will just work on them too (hopefully aurelian shroud wont - if so Templars had no advantages to other marines in competitive gaming)... and a few units will get 2 wounds. But after the first PAf&f things are integrated into the codex I cannot expect the templars will stay like they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5603510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Got my first game in tonight with the Bladeguard. They are brutal! I didn't get the chance to use the full impulsor bomb with the judiciar, as I went second and had a whole Scions army drop on top of me. But I think what won me the game in the end was the fact he dropped his command squad within 6" of my Intercessors, who were in aura of a Chaplain with Canticle of hate. They devout pushed into the command squad and killed them in his turn, then killed a squad of scions in mine! It's such a useful strat! Sete, redmapa and BLACK BLΠFLY 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5606414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Apparently another fellow Templar has done well in a tournament (Iron Halo Con) so there seems to be hope for us even if its just SM power carrying us but the upcoming buffs will certainly help a bunch even if our armies become slightly smaller. Here's the list I found +++ Ben templar (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [99 PL, 8CP, 1,996pts] +++ ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium – Adeptus Astartes – Black Templars) [99 PL, 1,996pts, 8CP] ++ + Configuration [12CP] + Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP] Detachment CP Gametype: Matched + Stratagems [-1CP] + Crusader Relics [-1CP] + HQ [17 PL, 330pts, -2CP] + High Marshal Helbrecht [8 PL, 155pts, -1CP]: Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP] Primaris Chaplain [5 PL, 85pts, -1CP]: 1. Litany of Divine Protection, 5. Fervent Acclamation, Ancient Breviary, Fortress of Resolve, Litany of Hate, Stratagem: Master of Sanctity [-1CP] Primaris Lieutenant (Indomitus) [4 PL, 90pts]: The Crusader’s Helm + Troops [15 PL, 300pts] + Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 95pts] . 4x Assault Intercessor [76pts]: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol. Assault Intercessor Sgt [19pts]: Heavy Bolt Pistol Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Incursor Sergeant [21pts] . 4x Incursor [84pts]: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired Combat Blades, 4x Smoke Grenades Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]: Bolt rifle. 4x Intercessor [80pts]: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades. Intercessor Sergeant [20pts] + Elites [45 PL, 938pts, -1CP] + Aggressor Squad [12 PL, 225pts]: 4x Aggressor [160pts], Aggressor Sergeant [40pts] . Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [25pts] Bladeguard Veteran Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Bladeguard Veteran Sgt [35pts] . 2x Bladeguard Veteran [70pts]: 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Master-crafted Power Sword, 2x Storm Shield Bladeguard Veteran Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Bladeguard Veteran Sgt [35pts] . 2x Bladeguard Veteran [70pts]: 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Master-crafted Power Sword, 2x Storm Shield Cenobyte Servitors [1 PL, 18pts] . 3x Cenobyte Servitor [18pts]: 3x Close Combat Weapon Primaris Apothecary [4 PL, 60pts, -1CP]: Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Chief Apothecary [-1CP], Warlord Terminator Assault Squad [18 PL, 425pts]: Teleport Homer [5pts] . Terminator Sergeant [42pts] . . Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield [19pts]: Storm shield [4pts], Thunder hammer [15pts] . 9x Terminator w/THSS [378pts]: 9x Storm shield [36pts], 9x Thunder hammer [135pts] + Heavy Support [18 PL, 360pts] + Devastator Squad [8 PL, 120pts]: Armorium Cherub [5pts] . Space Marine Sergeant [15pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [25pts]: Grav-cannon and grav-amp [10pts] . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [25pts]: Grav-cannon and grav-amp [10pts] . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [25pts]: Grav-cannon and grav-amp [10pts] . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [25pts]: Grav-cannon and grav-amp [10pts] Eradicator Squad [5 PL, 120pts]: Eradicator Sgt [40pts] . 2x Eradicator [80pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Melta rifle Eradicator Squad [5 PL, 120pts]: Eradicator Sgt [40pts] . 2x Eradicator [80pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Melta rifle + Dedicated Transport [4 PL, 68pts] + Drop Pod [4 PL, 68pts]: Storm bolter [3pts] Edited September 28, 2020 by redmapa Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5607759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) That is a lot of foot slogging! Fair play to him. Edit: I love how in a list with Helbrecht and a Master of Sanctity he made the Apothecary the Warlord! Edited September 28, 2020 by Brother Adelard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5607792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabulousRex Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Space wolves player here! Just wondering if anyone has tried 'outflanking' a big Crusader squad? It works pretty well for Blood claws, and not for damage, really. Just plopping 16 Claws behind the opponent with no gear makes a hell of a distraction. Since they have ObSec and a large size, they can dominate what opponents though were Safe home field objectives. Y'all can even use shooting! Multi melta and 2 plasma guns can do some damage from behind. Sword Brother Adelard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5608577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Definitely worth a go, even more so when the initiates double wounds Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5608596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 I am not sure. If you take a Aggressor squad instead they will shoot better and hit better in melee. If they arrive their target then normally you dont need obsec... why paying so much for a troop choice which is very bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/38/#findComment-5608809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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