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The characters in combat patrol and launch box should be different ones. Since we don't have so many new items as orks, i expect Primaris Crusaders features in both boxes. Edited by Tokugawa

I wonder if they'll beat Wargame Exclusive's offerings. This is about as perfect a Primaris Helbrecht as I can imagine and both EmpChamps are top notch. Can't wait to see Grimaldus reimagined as well.
 

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Hah! I am currently painting all three of those along with the chaplain from them.

 

Edit: as a side note, the models arrive looking as clean and crisp as those pictures imply. Honestly unbelievable casting quality.

Edited by Argyle

Hah! I am currently painting all three of those along with the chaplain from them.

 

Edit: as a side note, the models arrive looking as clean and crisp as those pictures imply. Honestly unbelievable casting quality.

 

Would love to see those painted up in true templar colors!!

They've been hinting at Sword Brethren for a couple of articles so perhaps this Black Monday will be the showcase for them? Or maybe they'll show the Neophyte model.  According to the rumors the box is supposed to be out ALONGSIDE the ork release so if that remains true then GW has two weeks to show it and release with the second wave of Ork stuff.

 

Ironically, to make primaris crusader kits selling, the first thing GW need to do on rules is : nuke the 15pts classic crusader.

 

If cheaper older unit exist, it will obviously harm the sale of primaris crusaders.

I honestly doubt that you’d be surprised how little most of the player base cares about rules or at least competitive play and just loves new gorgeous models

 

Especially after 16 ish years of waiting for some

I would VERY much dispute that.

While I do think models trumps rules*, we should remember that both are in fact important. We've had 16 years without new models, which was terrible, but we also had a really long dry spell of rules updates following 4th edition. Following 4th, we never did get a fifth edition codex so we went without much of an update for what 7 years(bar FAQ updates? when did those start anyway?) Being an edition behind was also terrible.

 

One of the reasons I was actually excited for the 6th edition SM codex (before it hit anyway) despite us being rolled in was because it was finally going to mean we would be up to date and get access to a bunch of newer space marine things(like thunderfire cannons, storm ravens etc) that hade been released and we'd missed out on since 4th. 

 

We're clearly getting both now however. We've seen some new models and know more are on the way, and having codex supplement is equivalent to having your own codex in all but name. If the new rules does end up being poor, I'll tolerate it while waiting for 10th, but in the meantime we got Mr. L and others to tell us how to make it work until then :wink:

 

 

 

* because the former signifies financial commitment on part of GW to a much larger degree, updating models also incentivises updating the rules well to maintain sales etc, and because the frequent update of rules in general means a bad batch (or good) might be quickly be replaced by the next...

Happy black templar monday everyone ! Let's hope to see the crusader squad or the Marshal today ! Or even the crusader squad ? Well wait and see, praise the emperor and hope for the three a once into an announcement for the box !

Hah! I am currently painting all three of those along with the chaplain from them.

 

Edit: as a side note, the models arrive looking as clean and crisp as those pictures imply. Honestly unbelievable casting quality.

Oh, absolutely, theirs are the best resins I've ever had the pleasure of working with.

 

 

Ironically, to make primaris crusader kits selling, the first thing GW need to do on rules is : nuke the 15pts classic crusader.

 

If cheaper older unit exist, it will obviously harm the sale of primaris crusaders.

I honestly doubt that you’d be surprised how little most of the player base cares about rules or at least competitive play and just loves new gorgeous models

 

Especially after 16 ish years of waiting for some

I would VERY much dispute that.

That’s fair mate you’re welcome too, it’s been said many times but rules/points per unit change around twice an addition? and space marines always sell better than anything else by miles! doesn’t matter if they’re top/mid/bottom tier units because people love them more than any other faction (despite what you see in most comments under any GW post, a big example of loud minorities)

 

Competitive players, especially forum/heavy internet hobby users can often mistake vocal minorities as the majority, but it’s not the case, most players play casually with friends or are in the hobby to collect or/and paint models not go and win tournaments or even win games

 

If this release looks as good as I think it will it’ll fly off the shelves, as it should

Edited by BladeOfVengeance

 

Bets on today's reveal? I'm feeling a Neophyte.

 

Or Sword Brother :happy.: .

 

 

Both brothers in one big crusader squad ! And maybe with some sprue from the upgrade kit ? like some initiate with some witch bones on their shoulders ! After all they need to release the box in september.

 

 

Ironically, to make primaris crusader kits selling, the first thing GW need to do on rules is : nuke the 15pts classic crusader.

 

If cheaper older unit exist, it will obviously harm the sale of primaris crusaders.

I honestly doubt that you’d be surprised how little most of the player base cares about rules or at least competitive play and just loves new gorgeous models

 

Especially after 16 ish years of waiting for some

I would VERY much dispute that.

 

Yeah, no, I have to agree with the others on that one ML, the tournament scene is actually much smaller than the pure hobbiest scene, like MUCH smaller lol

I agree that the majority of fans buy the models before the rules. If rules really were the guiding light, you wouldn't see so many new BT players go straight out and buy Land Raider Crusaders.

I agree that the majority of fans buy the models before the rules. If rules really were the guiding light, you wouldn't see so many new BT players go straight out and buy Land Raider Crusaders.

That's because there's no better terrain feature than a beautiful LRC that absorbs 1/8 your point limit.

Keep defeated in local casual games, is one of the biggest cause of quit the faction you play, and/or quit 40K.

 

"Competitive" is not a bipolar black or white choice. There are many many situations between "pro player" and "didn't played a 2000pts matched game yet".

Agreed it’s not but I think people have a distorted perception of the size of the competitive community and its effect on sales if something isn’t great in its current rules iteration

 

The Original point though was that if the rules bad it’ll hurt sales but the worst they can be is standard intercessors with more options that look better? which is already great in this edition

Edited by BladeOfVengeance

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