Predicting Primaris (Again): Will the generic range be "complete" in 10th Edition?

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

The other possibility that's been suggested (though I don't remember hearing it prior to that Reddit post of ill repute) is that they just re-do the Sanguinor as a primarch-level unit.

THAT would actually put the Blood Angels range more in line with the Ultramarines precedent, as they would have analogues for both Gilly AND Calgar, rather than one combo of the two.

Edited August 10, 2022 by Lord Nord

[phandaal]

Given that Azrael has perma Transhuman, he is basically Primaris already. Would be nice if the new recruits would let him ride in their tanks though.

On a serious note, having Dark Angels as a main focus for 10th makes me hopeful and worried in equal measure.

Hopeful for cool new upscales for iconic units. Ravenwing Black Knights could use some love to bring them up to Mk 6 quality.

Worried about iconic units getting deleted in favor of unnecessary Primaris reworks. Deathwing keyword on Gravis and a blurb about them being our new Terminators. That would be the worst.

Also worried about the story. The Lion's return and the Fallen need to be treated very carefully, and there is a lot of room for very unsatisfactory outcomes.

[Blindhamster]

4 hours ago, phandaal said:

Given that Azrael has perma Transhuman, he is basically Primaris already. Would be nice if the new recruits would let him ride in their tanks though.

On a serious note, having Dark Angels as a main focus for 10th makes me hopeful and worried in equal measure.

Hopeful for cool new upscales for iconic units. Ravenwing Black Knights could use some love to bring them up to Mk 6 quality.

Worried about iconic units getting deleted in favor of unnecessary Primaris reworks. Deathwing keyword on Gravis and a blurb about them being our new Terminators. That would be the worst.

Also worried about the story. The Lion's return and the Fallen need to be treated very carefully, and there is a lot of room for very unsatisfactory outcomes.

Gut feeling is, if the units for BA and DA get updated, they’ll likely be primaris. What exactly that means, remains to be seen though. If we are truly getting a new legit primaris terminator kit, then deathwing being based off that makes sense. 
 

or, maybe this will be the point where we see new legitimate mainline firstborn releases for 40K again, it could happen, just doesn’t fit the updates chapters have had so far (ultramarines and black templars)

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Of course they’ll be Primaris. Look at what they did for BT… nothing to worry about really.

[phandaal]

18 minutes ago, Black Blow Fly said:

Of course they’ll be Primaris. Look at what they did for BT… nothing to worry about really.

The keyword they use for the unit does not really matter to me. Just want to see a legitimate new Terminator sculpt.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Me too.

[Lemondish]

11 hours ago, phandaal said:

Given that Azrael has perma Transhuman, he is basically Primaris already. Would be nice if the new recruits would let him ride in their tanks though.

I hope he gets a new model just so his gun actually makes sense.

[Captain Idaho]

I know this sounds like an Ultramarines player being selfish but... I'd really like and think it is warranted Calgar for a new sculpt.

I know, I know, just hear me out! He had Terminator Armour as an iconic model for ages, much superior than anything so far. The Calgar model in Gravis armour looks experimental. The exhausts behind his heads that look like jump pack exhausts haven't been repeated, the pose seems... off and poor. Does he even have a Tactical rock?

Oh wait, yes he does.

[phandaal]

4 hours ago, Lemondish said:

I hope he gets a new model just so his gun actually makes sense.

Azrael could really use a new sculpt. So could Ezekiel and Asmodai. Those models are definitely showing their age.

[Marshal Reinhard]

10 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

I know this sounds like an Ultramarines player being selfish but...

Sure does.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Calgar doesn’t need a new sculpt.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I feel like GW will never give Dante a new sculpt…like it’s some sort of sick joke about his age…

[UnkyHamHam]

What if they put him (Dante) into a Dreadnought after a (hopefully but doubtfully) sufficient lore finale. Whilst The Sanguinor and Mephiston promote/annoint a new Chapter Master. 

They could put him into a modified Furioso styled Redemptor/Brutalis Dread. Could make a 3 way BA kit that allows you to build Librarian, Death Company, and Dante variants.

They've done something similar in the past for Space Wolves with their Venerable/Wulfen/Murderfang kit. 

Then they can hit 3 birds with one stone. They don't primaris-ify Dante, they keep him going in the lore (technically still alive), and they have room to develop a new Chapter Master (probably a Primaris guy). 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

I don't see them going the Dreadnought route with Dante. Not that GW isn't willing to ignore their own lore when convenient, but given the insanely long lead times for model production and release, any new Dante sculpt coming out in the next couple of years would have already been somewhere in the development pipeline when the decision was made to make him regent of Imperium Nihilus. If said sculpt were going to be a Dreadnought, I just don't think they would have bothered. Dreadnoughts in the lore were already spending a lot of time "offline" even before the Primaris Redemptor showed up, which actually burns out its occupants. So knowing that such a new development was coming, I think they'd have gone another route with the role of regent of half the galaxy or at least started to spotlight a character who would later make sense as Dante's successor in the role. Neither Devastation of Baal nor Darkness in the Blood features any such character.

Also, Saint Valrak continues to hear from multiple sources that "Primaris Terminators" are going to be part of the 10th-Ed launch box. But he hasn't seen datasheets or screenshots so who knows if those are actual Primaris Terminators, Primaris-scale Firstborn Terminators, or just Gravis guys with Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields and maybe enough changes to the armor or helmets to throw people off.

EDIT: Val also mentioned that the latest reliable/semi-reliable rumors he's heard put the Guard Codex drop in late October / early November, which I would still contend makes a nice small window in between the impeding Votann rollout and the Guard refresh. Said small window would of course be sufficient for the updated SM codex and the very small model wave we're apparently getting this year. Only question is whether they'd release six updated supplements in one week, spread them out over a couple of weeks, or take a step backwards and combine them somehow.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Lord Nord

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

9 hours ago, UnkyHamHam said:

What if they put him (Dante) into a Dreadnought after a (hopefully but doubtfully) sufficient lore finale. Whilst The Sanguinor and Mephiston promote/annoint a new Chapter Master. 

They could put him into a modified Furioso styled Redemptor/Brutalis Dread. Could make a 3 way BA kit that allows you to build Librarian, Death Company, and Dante variants.

They've done something similar in the past for Space Wolves with their Venerable/Wulfen/Murderfang kit. 

Then they can hit 3 birds with one stone. They don't primaris-ify Dante, they keep him going in the lore (technically still alive), and they have room to develop a new Chapter Master (probably a Primaris guy). 

Nope, that won’t work, sorry.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Why though? Knowing how fickle is geedub I could see it happening ?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

27 minutes ago, Black Blow Fly said:

Why though? Knowing how fickle is geedub I could see it happening ?

Because there’s essentially no BA players who would be happy with that.

either primarize him, kill him, or leave him be.

Killing him though would also likely make the player base extremely angry

[Blindhamster]

Dante actually does have an intended successor in the lore. Karlean. It’s noted in one of the mentioned books. And it was tycho previously.

 

in terms of his fate…

id hate to see him put in a dread

if he died in a meaningful situation, I could get behind it.

if he went primaris, I’d be fine with it, particularly if it resolves the wound that isn’t healing issue

if he stayed like he is, he will die. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

33 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Dante actually does have an intended successor in the lore. Karlean. It’s noted in one of the mentioned books. And it was tycho previously.

Yep, that is true. But Karlaen is almost entirely absent from Devastation of Baal (only shows up toward the end) and I don't think he's even mentioned in Darkness in the Blood.

[UnkyHamHam]

4 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Nope, that won’t work, sorry.

Good discussion! Really well thought out rebuttal. A+

Thankfully others gave decent explanations as to why and how they'd feel. 

I'd love to see a major marine character be interred. I'd honestly hate it if every one just keeps getting the Primaris rubber stamp done to them. Doesn't have to be Dante, but honestly, he's a great candidate. 

[Blindhamster]

36 minutes ago, UnkyHamHam said:

Good discussion! Really well thought out rebuttal. A+

Thankfully others gave decent explanations as to why and how they'd feel. 

I'd love to see a major marine character be interred. I'd honestly hate it if every one just keeps getting the Primaris rubber stamp done to them. Doesn't have to be Dante, but honestly, he's a great candidate. 

I think that’s the point, narratively he isn’t. A big part of what makes him him is being old but still alive. He is all about duty but we also know he actually legitimately wants a release. It just doesn’t feel like a satisfying narrative end to his arc. 
 

it would make more sense for Calgar who seems to keep getting bits cut off or essentially killed, and I’m sure most ultramarine players would similarly disagree. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

36 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

I think that’s the point, narratively he isn’t. A big part of what makes him him is being old but still alive. He is all about duty but we also know he actually legitimately wants a release. It just doesn’t feel like a satisfying narrative end to his arc. 
 

it would make more sense for Calgar who seems to keep getting bits cut off or essentially killed, and I’m sure most ultramarine players would similarly disagree. 

What he wants to see is likely just not going to happen.

maybe iron hands wouldn’t mind, but off the top of my head I can’t think of any major iron hands characters to do this with.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I wonder if primaris will ever get artificer armor.

imagine if they do it will start with BA though.

[Orange Knight]

32 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I wonder if primaris will ever get artificer armor.

imagine if they do it will start with BA though.

Various Primaris characters are already equipped with Artificer armour. The Emperor's Champion and Helbrecht come to mind.

[UnkyHamHam]

10 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

Various Primaris characters are already equipped with Artificer armour. The Emperor's Champion and Helbrecht come to mind.

Not to mention Primaris Techmarines and the fact that literally any character, including primaris ones, can take artificer armour from the specialist wargear.