Rumour Epic HH rumours

[Arkangilos]

7 hours ago, Master Sheol said:

HH was a Civil War insider the Imperium so basically there are 5 factions

Astartes, Custodes, SoS, AdMech, Imperial Army

You do Epic HH and in a couple of years you will be in AT situation where they realesed almost all titans and soon there will be no more room for development

Correct me if I'm wrong, but titans are pretty much the same in 30k as 40k, and so they'll just have to add Xenos titans and they'll be able to keep it going.

[Master Sheol]

6 minutes ago, Arkangilos said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but titans are pretty much the same in 30k as 40k, and so they'll just have to add Xenos titans and they'll be able to keep it going.

I don't see them adding Xenos titans with rules

AT Is clearly labeled WH:HH and not WH40K

 

[Interrogator Stobz]

A rebranding of HH AT to Epic 40k would be nice.

But far more likely it would be Epic HH.

[Fire Golem]

1 hour ago, Master Sheol said:

I don't see them adding Xenos titans with rules

AT Is clearly labeled WH:HH and not WH40K

 

And AI was labelled WH40K until they announced a Heresy supplement. Just because something is a certain way now, doesn't mean it'll stay that way forever.

Also there are plenty of titans mentioned in the books for them to release, there's lots there still even if they wanted to stay just HH.

[Captain Idaho]

If it's a sucess, which I think it will be initially at least, it would pave the way for a great expansion.

I for one am really excited about it. I hate to be spamming the thread with the message but the thought of list building and considering taking several Tactical companies to hold ground, some Predator companies for support, add a Destroyer company etc... it all just gets me super excited.

And I have some titans too so that's good as well.

I think GW have learnt that a bit of flavour goes a long way so I don't think we'll see the old Epic 40K Firepower tables. Maybe but I think not in this case.

[TheVoidDragon]

1 hour ago, Captain Idaho said:

If it's a sucess, which I think it will be initially at least, it would pave the way for a great expansion.

 

I'd hope so too, but it's not like that has really happened with Titanicus despite it's success. Still stuck in the Heresy setting with no Xenos Titans and no combination with Aeronautica Imperialis 4 years later. Not even proper Chaos Titans or even just customization packs.

Edited August 1, 2022 by TheVoidDragon

[MegaVolt87]

I wonder what the scale will be. I like the 15mm scale having played flames of war myself would be my preference for the new epic scale in plastics. 

[skylerboodie]

What scale is AT and AI currently, 15mm?

[Plaguecaster]

To be honest I'd more rather a heresy BFG maybe with rhino sized ships but more stuff is always cool

Wonder what epic sized primarchs will look like 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

1 hour ago, skylerboodie said:

What scale is AT and AI currently, 15mm?

More like 8ish

[Fire Golem]

I think it's somewhere between 6-8mm ish and discussions about the exact scale seem to get weirdly heated in my experience. I think the designers said '1/4 the size of 40k' at some point. 

[Sete]

HH epic. I'm up for it. After that BFG ;)

[Cleon]

3 hours ago, MegaVolt87 said:

I wonder what the scale will be. I like the 15mm scale having played flames of war myself would be my preference for the new epic scale in plastics. 

I play Flames of War too, and while I like the 15mm tanks from a painting/modelling perspective, it's too big for epic, the titans and knights would be twice the height, cube law 8 times the size (mass) of the current AT (8mm). Dropzone commander (10mm) is a better example to me about a still in production game that plays like I want Epic to, but by the time you are looking at 10mm and already have titans and aircraft in 8mm, I'd stick with 8mm.

Edited August 2, 2022 by Cleon
maths is hard

[Captain Idaho]

I doubt the scale wouldn't match Adeptus Titanicus to be honest. Otherwise GW are going to make yet more titans at a different scale? Nah!

Been thinking about initial factions and I think it'll be Marines vs Marines quite obviously, but will be like 4 Legions aside I reckon.

[ThePenitentOne]

I'm another who feels like HH is a bad timeline for the game.

I get what everyone is saying about the utility of starting with HH and expanding to 40k once enough of the Imperial stuff is on the market, but it feels exclusionary. It feels like GW just doesn't care about Xenos.

Again, we're just hearing rumours; when GW themselves are ready to talk about this, they may give us something like an announcement that the HH setting is the first of many... And if they provided a timeline, that would help- though this is less likely than a vague indicator that they might think beyond marines... eventually.

 

[Slave to Darkness]

51 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

I'm another who feels like HH is a bad timeline for the game.

I get what everyone is saying about the utility of starting with HH and expanding to 40k once enough of the Imperial stuff is on the market, but it feels exclusionary. It feels like GW just doesn't care about Xenos.

 

 

Probably because they know people will buy it regardless, HH is an easy money maker for them and they will milk that cash cow before they actually improve the game. 

[armarnis]

i dont see any epic release in the next 3-5 years. at least not in the HH setting. why? simple. they just relaunched AoD with a ton of "new" plastic models. there is zero incentive to buy these AGAIN just in another scale.

 

if they were doing something like war for armageddon in epic scale or war of the beast with another xenos faction it would look far more viable. and yet they run the danger of the game being dead on arrival given how long they neglected that scale and ruleset. the community took up what was left and you can find models or STLs for almost every army without much difficulty. and if i can churn out an army on the printer in a single day, why would the people give the money to gw? looks like a major risk to me and i dont think GW is interested in risking even a penny. BFG is a way less "populated" space (...) by community competitors

[DuskRaider]

So basically GW is looking to ruin Titanicus again in the same exact way...

[MegaVolt87]

I get people have been unhappy with the HH slant of Titanicus + the rumoured new epic. But, it lets them front load all the Imperium stuff first, then there can be a glut of xenos content later on once the game "settles" into the product range. The fact xenos are not included at the moment, tells me GW probably knows more than we do about the OVERAL uptake of these specialist ranges. More so, since the next aeronautica expansion is HH not more xenos (no votaan/ squats :(  ). You can also guarantee the new BFG launch will be Imperium centric at release too, probably orks to follow sometime after as the first xenos race there. 

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

Armageddon would actually be good setting. You’d have Imperials, Orks (Xenos), and I believe the retconed the setting to include Chaos in the current Armageddon setting as Angron has shown interest in the planet again since the 1st War.

[DukeLeto69]

Non player question (just here for the lore these days) but are AT and AI definitely to the same scale? Above someone said 8mm.

If so then it clearly makes sense to use same scale and create an “Epic 8mm scale ecosystem” of games. 

From a “fleece our wallets” pov I reckon they will keep them as three separate games but with ways to include each into the other. So three lots of rules/box set purchases rather than one big EpicHH set.

[Wispy]

keeping it Heresy keeps the scope small enough to manage support for. ultimately i think it's too niche to take to 40k scope.. 

[animal310]

On 8/2/2022 at 5:58 AM, MegaVolt87 said:

I wonder what the scale will be. I like the 15mm scale having played flames of war myself would be my preference for the new epic scale in plastics. 

It will clearly be the same scale as AT and AI which is not 15mm, about 6mm to 8mm I think.

Edited August 3, 2022 by animal310

[animal310]

23 hours ago, armarnis said:

i dont see any epic release in the next 3-5 years. at least not in the HH setting. why? simple. they just relaunched AoD with a ton of "new" plastic models. there is zero incentive to buy these AGAIN just in another scale.

 

if they were doing something like war for armageddon in epic scale or war of the beast with another xenos faction it would look far more viable. and yet they run the danger of the game being dead on arrival given how long they neglected that scale and ruleset. the community took up what was left and you can find models or STLs for almost every army without much difficulty. and if i can churn out an army on the printer in a single day, why would the people give the money to gw? looks like a major risk to me and i dont think GW is interested in risking even a penny. BFG is a way less "populated" space (...) by community competitors

No, it allows far more scope for narrative play across the different scales. Just because someone has something in one scale does not mean they are not going to buy it in another.

The original AT morphed into a Horus Heresy game with Space Marries and later expanded to include other factions. I can see the same happening here in the fullness of time. 

[Rusted Boltgun]

14 minutes ago, animal310 said:

No, it allows far more scope for narrative play across the different scales. Just because someone has something in one scale does not mean they are not going to buy it in another.

The original AT morphed into a Horus Heresy game with Space Marries and later expanded to include other factions. I can see the same happening here in the fullness of time. 

Totally agree, Epic scale provides the opportunity to create games that more reflect some of the battle art put out by GW, the sheer scale of heresy battles with Titans wiping out entire squads, massed ranks of Marines, Land Raider detachments storming the battlefield, etc. Like in the AoD trailer.

I'm not knocking AoD or 40K but Epic puts it in wide-screen.