Heresy Roadmap Speculation

[SkimaskMohawk]

Second edition has almost been out for two months, and we're obviously still waiting on a lot of content to make the transition. All we have is the roadmap they provided on June 7th, and to match up content drops to try and figure out when things might drop.

So far:

June: word bearers exemplary battle unit.

July: legacy units, reverse-ported exemplary battle units, khabanda's rules, sons of Horus and space wolves exemplary battle units.

It's still early so there's not much information to analyze, but we know that while they can only release 1 exemplary battle pdf a month, they can also release up to 4. Other than the exemplary battles, there's still 3 main pdfs to expect; the FAQ, the daemons list, and the cults & militia list. The problem, is that they're selling rule books during August and October, which might disrupt the free rulebooks.

So with all that established, here's what I think they'll do: daemons in September, and cults in October. Daemons don't especially pair well with a payed faction, but are necessary for both khabanda's rules and the word bearers. Cults and militia though, are basically another subfaction of the liber imperium. The faq...who knows.

I'd hope for the pdfs earlier, but GW loves to stagger releases to maximise interest in product, and this makes the most sense to me.

 

[Astartes Consul]

Feel like there is no chance of an FAQ until all the Liber books and announced full list PDFs are out. Which might even suggest a January FAQ similar to other game systems. 
 

Will be interesting to see when they start teasing the Mechanicum book. I’d half expected today’s Heresy Thursday to be the beginning of it…but no. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

Not to derail too much, but a scheduled FAQ like they do for MESBG would be quite welcome, twice a year with relatively calculated alterations.

I guess we'll probably not see any mechanicum plastic kits at the release of their book, given that we'd've had to already have seen them. A bit of a shame, but if they have to come later so that the books are released promptly, then that's better than delaying publication to match a model release.

[SkimaskMohawk]

20 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said:

Feel like there is no chance of an FAQ until all the Liber books and announced full list PDFs are out. Which might even suggest a January FAQ similar to other game systems. 

That would be very frustrating; 40k rulebooks get their first faq on like release day, often paired with designers commentary to explain wording conventions/intentions. 

It's doubly frustrating with all the dev time that they had to avoid the need for a faq entirely.

[Taliesin]

I hope we will soon hear something about campaigns books furthering the narrative. 

They are doing the Libers first, but the last one may be in October and then question is, what else for the rest of the year?

[Xenith]

What plastic kits do we reckon? Loose list based on base chassis:

1. Land Raider Proteus
   1. Explorator
   2. Carrier
2. Spartan Chassis
   1. Spartan Carrier [Release 20/8/22]
   2. Cerberus
   3. Typhon
3. Leviathan
   1. CC version [Release 30/7/22]
   2. Ranged Version [Release 20/8/22]
4. Contemptor
   1. AoD set model
   2. Other variant with alternate weapons [Release 20/8/22]
5. Deimos Rhino Chassis
   1. Deimos Rhino [Check]
   2. Deimos Predator
   3. Whirlwind Scorpius
   4. Damocles Command Rhino
   5. Vindicator
   6. Vindi Laser Destroyer
6. Sicaran Chassis
   1. Sicaran [Release 20/8/22]
   2. Venator
   3. Arcus
   4. Omega
   5. Punisher
7. Javelin
8. Land Speeder Proteus
9. Xiphon
10. Arquitor Bombard (Reveresed Sicaran Chassis)

Edited August 9, 2022 by Xenith

[Noserenda]

My expectation of a fairly timely FAQ has shot up recently due to someone in the know laughing at my pessimism over the matter :D 

The old core game approach of an FAQ shortly after release to tidy up obvious problems and then a couple a year to broadly shift things into better alignment with the writers vision and fix meta problems is my fave. I think after a couple the "seasons" might be shifting things a bit too far, especially given the typically broader dispersal of "Heresy" armies through the period.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Noserenda
incrimination :D

[The4thHorseman]

1 hour ago, Xenith said:

What plastic kits do we reckon?

1. Land Raider Proteus Explorator + Carrier
2. Leviathan
   1. CC version
   2. Ranged Version
3. Contemptor
   1. AoD set
   2. Other variant with alternate weapons
4. Deimos Rhino [Check]
   1. Deimos Predator
   2. Whirlwind Scorpius
   3. Damocles Command Rhino
5. Sicaran + Variants
   1. Venator
   2. Arcus
   3. Omega
   4. Punisher
6. Spartan + Variants
   1. Cerberus
   2. Typhon
7. Javelin
8. Land Speeder Proteus
9. Vindicator
   1. Laser Destroyer
10. Xiphon

Wouldn't the Vindicator also go under Number 4? In both Demolish and Laser variant.

[SkimaskMohawk]

1 hour ago, Noserenda said:

My expectation of a fairly timely FAQ has shot up recently due to someone in the know laughing at my pessimism over the matter :D 

The old core game approach of an FAQ shortly after release to tidy up obvious problems and then a couple a year to broadly shift things into better alignment with the writers vision and fix meta problems is my fave. I think after a couple the "seasons" might be shifting things a bit too far, especially given the typically broader dispersal of "Heresy" armies through the period.

So about FAQs, apparently the print copy of the rules and the Epub just have completely different rules in some parts. This is frankly embarrassing that the rules are different across editions and there's 0 communication.

Here's an example of the IC and infiltrator interaction, taken from Facebook.

 

 

[Brother_Angelus]

At least they're already errata-ing rules that are ambiguous or misleading, I guess?

Maybe there's hope for a PDF sooner rather than later.

2 hours ago, Xenith said:

What plastic kits do we reckon?

1. Xiphon

I would immediately buy a squadron. All FA slots. No question.

[spessmarine]

with how the other weapon upgrades are still MIA, and the melee Leviathan being revealed after but released before the shooty Leviathan, the roadmap feels tumultuous ahead

[Noserenda]

Bloody hell, two official versions of the book with different rules? Thats gotta speed the FAQ up surely? 

[GarvielEisenhorn]

Looks like it's not just a difference between print and digital, because my print copy has that second version too.

 

[lansalt]

Damn, my rulebook lacks the text of the second version too! Did GW made two print runs and mixed them in the box sets? What a mess, now I wonder which other changes are there that we don't know.

[No Foes Remain]

We're at the point where people are having to agree on interpretations of rules in the book that are vague or unclear, which: A, shouldn't happen and; B, need a bloody FAQ.

 

And thinking about it, I know GW want to flog the box set but we should have had or been show all the troops choices by now rather that just having to dig into the bits box (which newer players may not have as a extensive pile as us older hats) or just use tacticals.

[SkimaskMohawk]

1 hour ago, GarvielEisenhorn said:

Looks like it's not just a difference between print and digital, because my print copy has that second version too.

 

I heard the special edition of the book had the differences too. Is yours the special edition or the standard hard back?

[GarvielEisenhorn]

I have the standard hardback. Maybe the box set and stand alone releases were different print runs with some changes?

[SkimaskMohawk]

Good to know; mines from the box set so it makes sense.

[Marshal Mittens]

I think we will see other Marine troop choices released as part of a box set in the not distant future. Maybe a Zone Mortalis expansion with the new kill team terrain and breachers? 

[Astartes Consul]

I guess after yesterday's huge pre-order dump, we can be sure there won't be an FAQ before Liber Mechanicum comes out.

Wonder if such a big release of Space Marine kits is in part to clear the decks before some rumoured plastic Mechanicum?

[Taliesin]

Excited for the Liber Mechanicum :)

 

 

[Lord Marshal]

8 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

I guess after yesterday's huge pre-order dump, we can be sure there won't be an FAQ before Liber Mechanicum comes out.

Wonder if such a big release of Space Marine kits is in part to clear the decks before some rumoured plastic Mechanicum?

Feels like they'd have revealed them already to drum up hype (or at least impulse purchases) of the Liber Mechanicum. 

[Noserenda]

Yeah a repack of Armigers is huge damp squib that certainly implies they dont have anything better ready.

That said, i am moderately excited about them potentially reboxing Anathemas in October so that they arent hilariously overpriced (£6+ each for even elite human infantry is brutal) meaning i can more easily expand my force rather than waiting on second hand lots. 

[Slips]

I heard about plastic thallax waaaaaay back when stuff was originally being leaked for hh2,0 but nothing since.

[Astartes Consul]

Just checked and Thallax kits are all still available / in stock on the UK Forge World site so, maybe not coming any time soon.

I do hope there is something more than just a reboxed Armiger.