Heresy Roadmap Speculation

[WrathOfTheLion]

Note if you check the downloads section on the community site, they've updated the PDF for Exemplary Battles units, adding the Bitter Duty special rule to the World Eaters Red Hand Destroyers squad.

So we may start further seeing iterations/updates on some of these documents.

[SkimaskMohawk]

1 hour ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

Note if you check the downloads section on the community site, they've updated the PDF for Exemplary Battles units, adding the Bitter Duty special rule to the World Eaters Red Hand Destroyers squad.

So we may start further seeing iterations/updates on some of these documents.

They also changed the white scars unit from rage 1 to 2. 

But why tweak two things without fixing the rules that make those units so underwhelming.

[WrathOfTheLion]

12 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

They also changed the white scars unit from rage 1 to 2. 

But why tweak two things without fixing the rules that make those units so underwhelming.

Not sure, but the more important thing is that something was updated, regardless of what it is.

[SkimaskMohawk]

44 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

Not sure, but the more important thing is that something was updated, regardless of what it is.

Eh, disagree. They updated Crusade once, but that didn't lead to greater changes across the problem units from that book or a wider faq.

Maybe if this update was more than a minute's worth of editorial corrections I'd be more enthusiastic. The document was open for editing; any required balance changes should have been implemented then.

Oh, and on a separate note; a distinct lack of any models released that relate to the exemplary battle unit.

Edited September 16, 2022 by SkimaskMohawk

[WrathOfTheLion]

19 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

Eh, disagree. They updated Crusade once, but that didn't lead to greater changes across the problem units from that book or a wider faq.

Maybe if this update was more than a minute's worth of editorial corrections I'd be more enthusiastic. The document was open for editing; any required balance changes should have been implemented then.

Oh, and on a separate note; a distinct lack of any models released that relate to the exemplary battle unit.

To me, it's important that something got altered, vs nothing at all. It's not wowing or knocking our socks off in any way, shape or form, but it's certainly a marked change from complete radio silence.

As per your separate note, don't know what your point there, as I clearly stated in my opinion on the matter that I agreed it was quite improbable that was the reason, only that such as thing was plausible.

Edited September 16, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[SkimaskMohawk]

31 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

To me, it's important that something got altered, vs nothing at all. It's not wowing or knocking our socks off in any way, shape or form, but it's certainly a marked change from complete radio silence.

As per your separate note, don't know what your point there, as I clearly stated in my opinion on the matter that I agreed it was quite improbable that was the reason, only that such as thing was plausible.

Radio silence is still there my friend. They didn't address August's absence or anything else to expect.

The separate note wasn't directed at you, should have made it more clear lol.

[Khern]

Probably some PDFs drops this week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/18/sunday-preview-mortal-realms-magic-and-space-marines-made-to-order/

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We’ll have some BIG news for the Mortal Realms, Black Library reveals, and free rules for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy.

 

[SkimaskMohawk]

Well October has come and gone, annoyingly without any exemplary battle units again, and a miss for the October release for custodes et al. 

 

Not too sure if other systems books have been delayed; it might be some material shortage in general over there in Britain to explain the hard copies, but the pdf thing again is annoying. The signature radio silence around delays/missed timelines is par for the course, but like always, would have helped.

 

 

[Harrowmaster]

Hopefully with Liber Imperialis out soon we'll get the militia PDF the same day or close to it. 

[Stitch5000]

33 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

Well October has come and gone, annoyingly without any exemplary battle units again, and a miss for the October release for custodes et al. 

 

Not too sure if other systems books have been delayed; it might be some material shortage in general over there in Britain to explain the hard copies, but the pdf thing again is annoying. The signature radio silence around delays/missed timelines is par for the course, but like always, would have helped.

 

 

Material shortages don't affect these kind of last minute fractional delays. A material shortage would prevent the ability to book print work in months/year ahead of time. 

The problem will be based on shipping, as evidenced by the recent announcement that Liber Imperium will be out in the UK pretty soon but will be delayed in the US. GW are trying to facilitate synchronised global releases, and that requires products to be in warehouses at the same time, in all regions.  Because of the way sea and even air shipping are working these days, things can get stuck in ports/customs for extended periods. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

50 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

Well October has come and gone, annoyingly without any exemplary battle units again, and a miss for the October release for custodes et al. 

 

Not too sure if other systems books have been delayed; it might be some material shortage in general over there in Britain to explain the hard copies, but the pdf thing again is annoying. The signature radio silence around delays/missed timelines is par for the course, but like always, would have helped.

 

 

They have, as I mentioned in the N&R thread on it. I think two AoS battletomes have been delayed from when they should have released. It's harder to gauge with any other system, as that and HH are the only two coming out with multiple books right now, since all the 40k codices are done barring one-offs/new releases.

Add as well that Liber Mechanicum was delayed by a month in North America, the issue is almost certainly something logistical with the liber books.

Edited November 1, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion
added liber mechanicum

[SkimaskMohawk]

Good answers; the mechanicum book was a pretty wild thing for NA customers, tho i think you could grab the Epub by just going to a different region on the site. 

 

The lack of pdf rules are the real head scratcher.

[Stitch5000]

1 minute ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

Good answers; the mechanicum book was a pretty wild thing for NA customers, tho i think you could grab the Epub by just going to a different region on the site. 

 

The lack of pdf rules are the real head scratcher.

It is potentially because the PDFs rely on, or reference something in the unreleased product?

[Noserenda]

They might have delayed it to fit something like the Dorn tank in there but i dont think there would be any cross referencing between books outside of added Mechanicum stuff, having to buy another whole hefty tome to get stats for something like a tank that should be in your army list would be infuriating.

I cant imagine what unreleased stuff would slow down Exemplary units right now either?

I think ive ranted enough about tying e-releases to the dead tree version :P 

[dickyelsdon]

PDF's seem such a simple thing but still require putting together, review and approvals, planning for release articles etc.  That must amount to a few days effort for one person, I can only think they are really stretched for staff in some of these departments.

 

GW does seem to miss so many opportunities for all game systems, when it comes to offering 'free' content, that would be lapped up and drive sales.

[Mr Farson]

I imagine we won't get any of the supplemental army pdfs until after the legacies pdf is out for liber Imperium.

 

I'm quite surprised the Daemon pdf didn't come out already what with the 40k codex releasing a little while back.

[SkimaskMohawk]

2 hours ago, Stitch5000 said:

It is potentially because the PDFs rely on, or reference something in the unreleased product?

 

Its possible, though doubtful. None of the exemplary battle units have relied on any modern kit to make and usually encourage huge forgeworld spending sprees; their rules have all been stand alone legion. Plus, it's not like heresy has a problem with selling rules that reference other, unreleased rules; the word bearers are still waiting for those daemon rules lol. 

 

2 hours ago, dickyelsdon said:

PDF's seem such a simple thing but still require putting together, review and approvals, planning for release articles etc.  That must amount to a few days effort for one person, I can only think they are really stretched for staff in some of these departments.

 

GW does seem to miss so many opportunities for all game systems, when it comes to offering 'free' content, that would be lapped up and drive sales.

 

The thing is that these pdfs were coming out during first, and they mentioned how they were all back ported from 1st to 2nd; presumably that means they were all already made for 2nd. I know I've speculated that that was just a lie due to the quality of the 2nd edition exemplary battle rules, but the official line was that they were made for 2nd. 

 

And ya, the effort for making a mini-campaign entry and unit rules isn't negligible, but....what do the grunts at the specialist games really do? Its drafting rules in their pdf formats. The rules would be done by the heresy rules people, which...should have already been done, and shouldn't have to compete with anything...unless they're so far behind on the missing army pdfs that they're still refining the rules in those. You know what, that's probably exactly what's happening; one person writing both the daemons and cults stuff, the monthly exemplary battle units, and the FAQ. Itd explain the delay on everything and the missed legacy units that got readded. 

[NinjaBadger7]

I really do find it odd that the Daemons of the Ruinstorm isn't out yet.

 

I would have presumed it had effectively been written and completed before HH 2.0 launched so is waiting ready for them to hit the go button.

 

It's a shame as there will be existing and future Daemon players waiting to play their army when it could already be out and sorted.

[Gorgoff]

16 hours ago, NinjaBadger7 said:

I really do find it odd that the Daemons of the Ruinstorm isn't out yet.

 

I would have presumed it had effectively been written and completed before HH 2.0 launched so is waiting ready for them to hit the go button.

 

It's a shame as there will be existing and future Daemon players waiting to play their army when it could already be out and sorted.

As far as we know it comes together with the Militia list which comes around the time when Liber Imperium is available.

So next week if you feel optimistic.

But yeah, I can't understand why GW didn't push out the PDF day one for all armies they want to have in the game at some point.

Even a thinned down army list with just barebone units for every army would have been great and in my opinion mandatory.

 

[Brother Sutek]

I agree, even with a bare bones list we'd see more people playing and getting excited for this edition. We have one guy we occasionally get to play that is a Solar player, he hasn't shown up as he thinks his book is OP against the new stuff and doesn't want to be "that guy". He's been seeing his mistress Flames of War and it'll be tough to get him back if the new rules don't show up till next year.

[Gorgoff]

4 hours ago, Brother Sutek said:

I agree, even with a bare bones list we'd see more people playing and getting excited for this edition. We have one guy we occasionally get to play that is a Solar player, he hasn't shown up as he thinks his book is OP against the new stuff and doesn't want to be "that guy". 

His book isn't out yet. How can it be OP against the actual rules?

[Xenith]

Maybe playing last edition rules?

[Brother Sutek]

7 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

His book isn't out yet. How can it be OP against the actual rules?

From what I gather he thinks the army would  be stronger than it should as its not balanced for the new rules. No one minds but he had issues with 6th and 7th edition 40k and doesn't want to deal with it. I think he just want to play Flames of War but that's me.

[Dont-Be-Haten]

6 minutes ago, Brother Sutek said:

From what I gather he thinks the army would  be stronger than it should as its not balanced for the new rules. No one minds but he had issues with 6th and 7th edition 40k and doesn't want to deal with it. I think he just want to play Flames of War but that's me.

That's probably it. We have had the same types of excuses.

[Astartes Consul]

So, another Heresy Thursday and no preview of Liber Imperialis. On the one hand, the constant stream of new plastic kits and resin characters is great and I don't think we should lose sight of that! On the other, while LI is dropping in to a crowded release schedule it is just weird that we haven't had any more info on it. Not even a preview article with the contents page, yet.