WARMASTER_ Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 So Valrak has just posted a video with said rumour and to be fair apart from a few things he’s never really wrong Im honestly super happy about the news! Being a grumpy old mn [By which I mean early 30’s in my case] all I really ever wanted from SM’s was the OG marines at a better scale If true do we think we’ll see more kits Tactical’s etc? personally I’d say yes,I think it’s a very smart business move + Might win back a lot of goodwill with the older fans Bloody Legionnaire 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) New first born models for 40k I wouldn't wanna put money on it There's a reason why copyrightable (primaris) marines exist Edited January 18, 2023 by Emperor Ming Special Officer Doofy 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5900977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Emperor Ming said: New first born models for 40k I wouldn't wanna put money on it There's a reason why copyrightable (primaris) marines exist That’s not really valid though with copyrightable names. We’ve had many Firstborn kits since the whole “Copyright” incident, just to name a few that stand out for this point, MKVI tactical squad or Chaos Space Marines for instance It definitely wasn’t wholly a Copyright issue it was the fact the sculptor wanted to move forward with the marine range without so many boundaries on the sculpts [To very mixed results] Edited January 18, 2023 by WARMASTER_ Grammar Toxichobbit and TheMawr 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5900986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxichobbit Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I actually believe that we will eventually get new Firstborn for 40k. Just not for a long time, and current Firstborn might disappear first. The thing is, GW will eventually run into the same problem with Primaris that they did with Firstborn, that there's just no more design space for them and the range is over-saturated with units competing for the same tabletop role. Alongside this, by then they'll have a lovely selection of well proportioned and scaled Firstborn in the Horus Heresy range just begging for 40k players to buy them. It'd be foolish not to resurrect Firstborn with new MkVII/VIII at that point, as all the other Mks will already be covered. They'd probably need to split them off into two different Codexes, but I'm sure they can come up with some contrived lore reason why Firstborn and Primaris are now operating independently, with more restrictive lists akin to World Eaters/Khorne Daemons allowing them to mix. Bloody Legionnaire 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5900988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 What new thing did Valrak say? I don't see new Terminators as a herald of new Firstborn power armour kits until the HH expansion range for the Scouring makes them. After all, why make all new characters and resculpts Primaris if they're making new Firstborn? Emperor Ming 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Captain Idaho said: What new thing did Valrak say? I don't see new Terminators as a herald of new Firstborn power armour kits until the HH expansion range for the Scouring makes them. After all, why make all new characters and resculpts Primaris if they're making new Firstborn? That Firstborn Terminators will be the in the 10th edition box set I think the reasons would be Money firstly as the know the product would sell a LOT and second the Firstborn and still very much within the setting lore wise so it adds to the design space Edited January 18, 2023 by WARMASTER_ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Could be possible, don’t think firstborn are going anywhere for a bit. The rumours have been consistent on this for a while, at the very least they don’t have primaris in the name, presumably they won’t have the keyword, so yeah new unit to go in land raiders! BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) I mean, they do need to keep Firstborn around if GW wants to do anything with the Badab War, 1st and 2nd Tyrannic Wars (including Battle of Maccragge), Armageddon or anything from the 10K of history between 30K and 40K. But I don't see it by the 40K team. Maybe 30K yes. New Terminators, if Firstborn, are an exception to bring them into line with Chaos Marines I reckon and tie them into 30K. Still this is something I can't lose on - if I'm wrong I get new models eh! Edited January 18, 2023 by Captain Idaho Blindhamster and Sarvis 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Makes sense. Terminators are an iconic look with decades of enduring appeal. People will snatch them up hand over fist if they get a rescaled sculpt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Will have to see this one before i believe it Sarvis and Kallas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Instead of a first step for new firstborn kits this might be the first step to handwave the difference between primaris and firstborn. So instead of it being a distinctly firstborn unit it's a squad of distinctly indomitus pattern TDA with a handwaved filling of either marine type. Because the armour is what makes the unit. Marshal Reinhard, Inquisitor_Lensoven, WrathOfTheLion and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 There’s been several reports that new Terminators will be Primaris and from reliable sources too. Emperor Ming 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Which sources are saying what? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 You can’t reveal them because then they wouldn’t tell you anymore. Khornestar and phandaal 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Valraks Sources say Firstborn, BBF's sources say primaris. Makes me think one source has seen the models while the other has seen the datasheet. phandaal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nephaston said: Valraks Sources say Firstborn, BBF's sources say primaris. Makes me think one source has seen the models while the other has seen the datasheet. Probably this. They may look like upscaled/refined sculpt Terminators but have the Primaris keyword. Nephaston and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Nephaston said: Valraks Sources say Firstborn, BBF's sources say primaris. Makes me think one source has seen the models while the other has seen the datasheet. I can confirm my source has only seen the models, NOT the data sheet, on that note go a very interesting video incoming soon on it all EDIT: WORDS Edited January 19, 2023 by Chapter Master Valrak WARMASTER_, Karhedron and Bloody Legionnaire 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I'd think if anyone managed to see a datasheet, there'd be a lot more to talk about than just having skimmed a Primaris keyword, such as whether it's fundamentally incompatible (i.e., indexes), etc. Emperor Ming 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I already posted the stats. Emperor Ming 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Also what kind of release timeframe, arks? 10th? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofSigismund Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said: I already posted the stats. What? I missed these where can I find them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 hours ago, KnightofSigismund said: What? I missed these where can I find them? I believe it was this: 4W - S4 - T5 - 3A - 2+/4++ Sv Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Can't be Firstborn with stats like that. Not unless Chaos get new stats... Special Officer Doofy, Kallas and Karhedron 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Unless they’re simply saying it’s a updated terminator mk that simply has better bonuses because cawl Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Valkenhayn Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Man. I really hope they don't get an inflated stat block. Bring the number of attacks and leadership in line with chaos, end the arms race, give us nice new models. An extra pip of toughness and wounds would just be, exhausting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377220-new-firstborn-terminators-rumour/#findComment-5901158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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