Progenitor Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Tokugawa said: Another "shooty faction" gets basic units having BS4+. This has been a T'au thing for edition after edition. The faction that really only participates in 2 phases of the game and even their "elite" Battlesuit troops only hit on 4s. Oxydo, Emperor Ming and MithrilForge 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouargh Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Dr. Clock said: Wow... So AdMech is Guard with better guns, I guess? Almost in fact, main stat line is the same a Guards, only distinctive feature is the Inv. Save. But all saves went downand are aligned. From a general point of view this is the most disapointing preview so far - not because of the changes introduced, but because of what can be exploited from the info shared. We can barely "extrapolate" about the global working way of the revised army, one of which could be anticipated as being deeply affected by te 10th Ed game reboot philosophy. Admech was heavily relying on auras and buffing charaters, it seems that this will remaing but with some radical changes on how it applies now: - Auras will unlock inner characteristics from the unit and the unlocking will be "beaconed" from a Battle line unit - not too bad, but a little bit too close of the Synapse mechanism to my taste - Characters roles are probably not be so deeply revised and changed- "tactical skills of the Tech-Priests improve Battleline units in close proximity" - I wonder how all of this will affect the Marshall... Faction Rule is OK and not misaligned with all that we saw so far. Detachment Rule is ... Rad. Easy joke, I know. Well, I really wonder from where this is coming as it is a little bit disruptive vs. AdMech previous codices. Looks like a little bit otT My global feeling is that Glass Canon Reputation is going to be even more true now than before and that the army will only work well in case of 1 skitarii + one other unit. This makes me really impatient seeing the back of Skitarii Vanguard and Ranger datasheet as it will be an even more important factor for Army design. ¿Would it favours MSU at all cost? ¿Will it put underground 20 strong skitarii units (if maintained which me might doubt...)? Except Robots that will probably stay Mavericks from Auras and buffing point of view. BTW, is the illustration new? tzeentch9 and danodan123 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 No, it's the cover of the 9th edition codex. Bouargh and Emicus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Emperor Ming said: Mortal wounds for standing in my deployment zone and potentially battle shock or more mortal wounds Great, that sounds fun to play against The trick is to not hang around VengefulJan and Emperor Ming 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Your friendly neighborhood World Eater here. What’s a deployment zone? Daemonic Brother, Cpt.Danjou, Oxydo and 14 others 17 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicHat Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I guess they didn't want a situation again where Skitarii are a few more pts then Guard but have better BS, Sv and weapons. The BS nerf didn't surprise me, but the loss of Sv sure did. Summing up all the underwhelming pistols into a single underwhelming pistol is a bold move. Same with the melee weapons. Very curios what the heavy arc rifle will do to vehicles, but it will probably be some Bs5+ single shot thing that does 2 D. Do wonder what this means for the galvanic rifles. Back to rapid-fire, or maybe 2 A 24"? Also, we know that Meks can repair and boost vehicles, but Cawl lost his repair move. Possibly only the Engine-seer kept it? Bouargh 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madao Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Hmm. This detachment rule is even more pointless against necrons - they heal up D3 wounds in their command phase, so if they are going first, then they can just accept the damage (and have some repositioning available on warriors T1) WrathOfTheLion 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_b Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Madao said: Hmm. This detachment rule is even more pointless against necrons - they heal up D3 wounds in their command phase, so if they are going first, then they can just accept the damage (and have some repositioning available on warriors T1) I don’t remember clearly but don’t mortals cancel the ability to return with Necrons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, brother_b said: I don’t remember clearly but don’t mortals cancel the ability to return with Necrons? Now they just passively regenerate some wounds or models in the command phase, so mortals don't matter. Article for them is here. So if they go first, they take the damage at the beginning of the battle round, and then can immediately regenerate it in their command phase with reanimation protocols. Edited May 15, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion brother_b, Oxydo and MithrilForge 1 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, brother_b said: I don’t remember clearly but don’t mortals cancel the ability to return with Necrons? Don’t think so. The Necron ability isn’t a save of FNP roll, it just adds back models to an under-strength unit. There’s no accounting of how those models were lost. Edit: Beaten to it Edited May 15, 2023 by Rain brother_b 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr. Clock said: Wow... So AdMech is Guard with better guns, I guess? You're even getting pre-game bombardment, which used to be a Guard thing. KingYertle, Emperor Ming and Lord Marshal 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madao Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) And to be honest - if scoring is similar to 9th edition, then being battleshocked T1 does not change anything, as you cannot score primary objectives anyway. Edited May 15, 2023 by Madao brother_b 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzeentch9 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I think I would always take the battleshock, as it does nothing? Unless there are additional penalties when battleshocked, that we haven’t seen yet, there seems to be no real drawback to takin to that option over the mortal wounds Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I would have preferred if they had done away with mortal wounds all together mel_danes and Special Officer Doofy 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, tzeentch9 said: I think I would always take the battleshock, as it does nothing? Unless there are additional penalties when battleshocked, that we haven’t seen yet, there seems to be no real drawback to takin to that option over the mortal wounds If you're battleshocked, you cannot hold objectives and you can't use strategems on them. So if you don't intend to do either of those things with that unit, then yeah, you can just be battleshocked I guess without it doing too much. Oxydo and Doctor Perils 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said: If you're battleshocked, you cannot hold objectives and you can't use strategems on them. So if you don't intend to do either of those things with that unit, then yeah, you can just be battleshocked I guess without it doing too much. I know it takes your OC stat to 0 but they said that prevents you from having an objective? It's so hard to follow between all the articles haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzeentch9 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said: If you're battleshocked, you cannot hold objectives and you can't use strategems on them. So if you don't intend to do either of those things with that unit, then yeah, you can just be battleshocked I guess without it doing too much. Turn one, neither of those is likely to be making much of a difference. You lose some defensive capability, but considering how many less strats there are, it seems a lot better than eating mortal wounds all over the place VengefulJan 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 54 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: I know it takes your OC stat to 0 but they said that prevents you from having an objective? It's so hard to follow between all the articles haha. They did imply somewhere that you need an OC score above zero to actually claim objectives but I can't remember where. MithrilForge, Special Officer Doofy and WrathOfTheLion 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinpact Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I'm interested in seeing what Battleshock actually does, because D3 MW on everything in your DZ could be brutal for stuff like Aeldari. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AenarIT Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, tinpact said: I'm interested in seeing what Battleshock actually does, because D3 MW on everything in your DZ could be brutal for stuff like Aeldari. Objective Control drops to zero and the unit cannot be buffed by a stratagem Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medicinal Carrots Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Being battleshocked T1 does mean you can't sticky claim an objective and run away Karhedron and DemonGSides 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Clock Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 2 hours ago, MagicHat said: Very curios what the heavy arc rifle will do to vehicles, but it will probably be some Bs5+ single shot thing that does 2 D. I would still be surprised if Kataphrons drop to BS5+ naturally, but obviously it could happen. At any rate, maybe it'll wind up as 2 shots at 2Dmg? 2 hours ago, MagicHat said: Do wonder what this means for the galvanic rifles. Back to rapid-fire, or maybe 2 A 24"? Guessing a 30" 2A S4 AP0 baseline to match the caliver and arc rifle. Still longer range than a Sister but not as accurate before buffs apply seems fine at point of index tbh. If this save reduction means eldar guardians, corsairs or kabalites lose their 4+ as well, I will has a sad. To me eldar armour should be basically just better than Imperial... and making them match Votann armour tech but retaining T3 seems pretty much correct. As a votann player also, this does kinda make up for losing void armour... and means Scions / Kasrkin both come out looking very fine with a 4+, assuming they even keep it(?) Cheers, The Good Doctor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrorect Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Emperor Ming said: I would have preferred if they had done away with mortal wounds all together Motal wounds are a perfect sistem for these wounds outside of normal shoot or combat phases: like this detachment rule, vehicule explosions or bombardements form planes in move phase. You do the wounds directly and done. The problem was the abuse of this rule on weapons or phisyc phase. Oxydo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Wonder what Cawl did to GW, another edition where he'a hot garbage Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urkh Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Emicus said: Wonder what Cawl did to GW, another edition where he'a hot garbage He created Primaris Marines. Edit: this is just a joke* Edited May 15, 2023 by Urkh Iron Father Ferrum, burningsky25, KingYertle and 10 others 3 10 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378646-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus/page/2/#findComment-5947926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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