Hachette New Hachette Magazine Combat Patrol

[Halandaar]

I think overall I'm actually pretty happy with this; the focus not being so squarely on Space Marines and Tyranids means the number of redundant/duplicate kits across the collection is relatively low and in a few cases I was actively planning to pick some of these Patrols up anyway. Will need to math it out but on the face of it, looks a winner for me personally.

 

Arguably I'm even more enthused about the prospect of a 4E AoS partwork in about 2-3 years time which follows this format. 

 

 

[ZeroWolf]

Don't forget that any savings will be increased following GW inevitable price rises (this sub will run through 2 of them if it follows a main launch in September again) and if popular enough, a further 10 issue extension.

 

Another thing to note that the premium packs may still alter as seen what happened with the AoS magazine...

[MoriyaSchism]

3 hours ago, CL_Mission said:

 

I see a suitable donor body for an Incinerator armed Grey Knight.

[G8Keeper]

Also be informed when subbing that Hachette will send you extras like art books and expect payment in addition to the sub cost, I've heard this is potentially an illegal practice but admit I don't know myself.

[ZeroWolf]

6 minutes ago, G8Keeper said:

Also be informed when subbing that Hachette will send you extras like art books and expect payment in addition to the sub cost, I've heard this is potentially an illegal practice but admit I don't know myself.

They do give you chance to opt out but all you get is a warning email telling you its coming (this is how I opted out of the short story collection from Imperium, I like black library fiction as much as the next frater but not when it's almost 3 times as expensive as a single magazine, bumping my monthly payment to close to £50)

 

You miss that email and you will be charged.

[G8Keeper]

7 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

They do give you chance to opt out but all you get is a warning email telling you its coming (this is how I opted out of the short story collection from Imperium, I like black library fiction as much as the next frater but not when it's almost 3 times as expensive as a single magazine, bumping my monthly payment to close to £50)

 

You miss that email and you will be charged.

I've found it's pot luck when you receive it, usually after you've received the item in question. The legal ambiguity comes in that you are apparently supposed to opt in to these things rather than out. Inertia selling is the term I think, which is illegal.

[Sky Potato]

I always got a written letter in the delivery prior to the extras, warning me of the upcoming “extra” item.

 

As a point to note, if you opted out of the early extra items, you were then automatically opted out of all of them - so you wouldn’t even be offered the other items.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Ill prolly just get gouged silly for the marine one ebay or such 

[Dark Shepherd]

I count 30? Paints on the poster

80 issuues minus 30 ÷ 3 = 70

 

Say 9 issues are the extra character/unit

 

61 issues to cover 9 combat patrols

 

Savings on each combat patrol dont look much at all esp compared to FLGS discounts, but am sure some cherry picked issues will be worth it

Edited January 1 by Dark Shepherd

[Karhedron]

So that suggests roughly 7 issues per faction and effectively 6 issues per combat patrol (since each faction gets an extra unit on top of their combat patrol). That means you can pick up a Combat Patrol for ~£60. RRP for these is normally £95 and even the best online retailers tend to max out at -20% which is roughly £76 so still a pretty decent saving.

 

Of course certain issues are likely to be highly in demand. Characters tend to be popular as these are normally pretty overpriced if bought individually. £10 for a biker chaplain is an absolute steal. The Wraithlord might be good too if you get the entire chap in one issue.

 

Overall I see the value as being good, rising to excellent for certain units.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Interesting that they're going with the Fire Support icon on the exclusive Infernus fellow, given that they were switched to Close Support as of the codex. I'm sure it's not a sign of anything more than the left hand not talking to the right, which is Situation Normal for GW.

[Doctor Perils]

How far into the subscription do the premium issues generally ship? Is it right from word go, a few months in, or right at the end? Wouldn't mind picking up the daemon prince and banshees one, but not sure about fulfilling the whole subscription

[CL_Mission]

49 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

Ill prolly just get gouged silly for the marine one ebay or such 

In previous magazines; Imperium and Stormbringer and I believe the earlier 40k magazine the exclusive mini came with issue 5. Also for as much as I lambaste the look of their website Fauxhammer has had an accurate breakdown of upcoming magazine contents for previous magazines so you can use it to plan ahead if picking up single issues from somewhere like Forbidden Planet. It could be useful to avoid paying silly ebay prices.

[irlLordy]

17 minutes ago, Lord Nord said:

Interesting that they're going with the Fire Support icon on the exclusive Infernus fellow, given that they were switched to Close Support as of the codex. I'm sure it's not a sign of anything more than the left hand not talking to the right, which is Situation Normal for GW.

 

The 3 etb infernus marines in the paint set are also fire support, not close support. Given that section of the codex also had veteran intercessors and attack bikes, I'd be more inclined to think its an older unit list in the codex that never got updated.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

34 minutes ago, irlLordy said:

 

The 3 etb infernus marines in the paint set are also fire support, not close support. Given that section of the codex also had veteran intercessors and attack bikes, I'd be more inclined to think its an older unit list in the codex that never got updated.

 

I'm aware of the paint set marines having the Fire Support Icon - so did the Infernus Marines in the 9th-Ed promo trailer - but both of those were were obviously created well before the codex was finalized, even with the several-month lag time between finalization and sale for the codex.

 

Also, it isn't simply the overall chapter breakdown that has Infernus Marines as Close Support. Their datasheet blurb describes them as "Close-Assault Specialists."

 

And their main weapon is a relatively short-range area-effect weapon. It might literally shoot "fire" but it's about as perfect an example of a Close Support ranged weapon as you can get.

[ThePenitentOne]

This is tempting. Many small armies is my style- it lets me supply models to a lot of people who might not otherwise play in order to facilitate campaign activity. If it ends up being available in Canada, it is worth thinking about.

 

I'm not a Khorne guy- all about them EC's and Ksons and their associated Daemonic allies... Though I did have an idea about Karanak, two units of 5 Flesh Hounds and two units of the Claws of Karanak for flesh hound Cultists. That's basically all the Khorne I want. Similarly, I hadn't consider Votann- not that I don't like them, just that there was so much other stuff to collect. I dig Guard, but not these units- I want Valkyries, Kriegers and Abhumans. 

 

I might be better off with more targeted purchases. I want to build a Tau force this edition- a Da'lyth Sept with mostly Kroot and some Pathfinder/ Stealth suit support. The Aeldari combat patrol is awesome, but even there I have options that I can buy that better fit my needs- I want a Court of the Young King, so, I want every Phoenix Lord and one unit of each Aspect. I also only want plastic. I've Got Jain Zarr and Banshees, I've got Dire Avengers... So I need Maugan and Reapers, and soon I'll need Scorpions.

 

As I said though, only relevant if it's available in Canada. Imperium was, so here's hoping.

[Halandaar]

3 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

They do give you chance to opt out but all you get is a warning email telling you its coming (this is how I opted out of the short story collection from Imperium, I like black library fiction as much as the next frater but not when it's almost 3 times as expensive as a single magazine, bumping my monthly payment to close to £50)

 

You miss that email and you will be charged.

 

You get a printed letter in the batch prior to the one with the extra item telling you what the extra is, how much it'll be and how to opt out. That opt-out letter is even itemised on your the invoice letter and visible as an included item in your account on the Hachette website;

 

Edited January 1 by Halandaar

[Halandaar]

1 hour ago, Doctor Perils said:

How far into the subscription do the premium issues generally ship? Is it right from word go, a few months in, or right at the end? Wouldn't mind picking up the daemon prince and banshees one, but not sure about fulfilling the whole subscription

 

In Stormbringer the first two premium sets shipped alongside issues 18 and 30 respectively.

[Dark Shepherd]

2 hours ago, Karhedron said:

So that suggests roughly 7 issues per faction and effectively 6 issues per combat patrol (since each faction gets an extra unit on top of their combat patrol). That means you can pick up a Combat Patrol for ~£60. RRP for these is normally £95 and even the best online retailers tend to max out at -20% which is roughly £76 so still a pretty decent saving.

 

Of course certain issues are likely to be highly in demand. Characters tend to be popular as these are normally pretty overpriced if bought individually. £10 for a biker chaplain is an absolute steal. The Wraithlord might be good too if you get the entire chap in one issue.

 

Overall I see the value as being good, rising to excellent for certain units.

I think youve double dipped my figures

 

80 issues

10 just paints

 

Leaves 70 issues

 

So its 7.7777777 issues per faction

6.777777 for each existing combat patrol

 

But yeah, some will be better than others value wise and somethinh like a biker chaplain for a tenner would be a steal

Edited January 1 by Dark Shepherd

[Dark Shepherd]

Sprue counts per patrol if anyone was wondering

 

Votann 10

CSM 10

Orks 10

GSC 8

Guard 8

Nids 7

Necrons 6

Marines 5

WE ?

[Doctor Perils]

37 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

 

In Stormbringer the first two premium sets shipped alongside issues 18 and 30 respectively.

Thanks :tu: sounds like a long time to hang in, if the earlier issues aren't of much interest to you, but they still got to make a profit I suppose...

[irlLordy]

1 hour ago, Lord Nord said:

 

I'm aware of the paint set marines having the Fire Support Icon - so did the Infernus Marines in the 9th-Ed promo trailer - but both of those were were obviously created well before the codex was finalized, even with the several-month lag time between finalization and sale for the codex.

 

Also, it isn't simply the overall chapter breakdown that has Infernus Marines as Close Support. Their datasheet blurb describes them as "Close-Assault Specialists."

 

And their main weapon is a relatively short-range area-effect weapon. It might literally shoot "fire" but it's about as perfect an example of a Close Support ranged weapon as you can get.

 

Ok. Well, on the one side we have all physical depictions of infernus marines with fire support markings, the combat patrol and getting started  infernus marines on the GW site shown with fire support markings, the etb and special models with fire support markings molded on, and on the other side we have ....

 

a one off reference in a codex.

 

I think even if they initially meant for infernus marines to be close support, the fact that they're selling models with them as fire support means they're intended to be there. Bear in mind aggressors have flamers and power fists yet are still fire support. 

 

They may provide an updated org chart in the new magazine, hachette works closely with GW to make sure everything is accurate, so we may actually get an answer. 

 

 

 

[ZeroWolf]

By the by, if you go premium (and assuming issue 18 for delivery, which tracks) then you're getting the Brutalis and Hive Tyrant for £36 (on top of what you paid for those issues already)

 

That's if they stick with the premium contents for a proper launch.

[Emperor Ming]

1 hour ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Sprue counts per patrol if anyone was wondering

 

WE ?

Wood Elves

Edited January 2 by Emperor Ming

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

40 minutes ago, irlLordy said:

 

Ok. Well, on the one side we have all physical depictions of infernus marines with fire support markings, the combat patrol and getting started  infernus marines on the GW site shown with fire support markings, the etb and special models with fire support markings molded on, and on the other side we have ....

 

a one off reference in a codex.

Not a "one off reference." As I pointed out, there are two distinct mentions in two different sections - at worst, that would be a one-off PRODUCT with MULTIPLE references.

 

And by the way, where did you get your earlier contention that the Close Support list also included Veteran Intercessors? They are listed under Veterans, not Close Support.

 

Beyond that, you're continuing to ignore my point that all of the other things you're mentioning came BEFORE the codex was written. They're not going to retool the paint set Marines at this point nor are they going to get the paint team to repaint the product just for the webstore. Although what they WILL do is conspicuously reorient the existing painted models so that the Fire Support icon isn't visible... something they did throughout the codex. I guess that makes THREE distinct references in that book.

 

I've never disputed that GW positioned the Infernus Marines as Fire Support BEFORE they changed them to Close Support in the codex. In fact, I made the point in my initial post that they CHANGED them to Close Support as of of the codex. It boggles my mind that you continue to press that point as if it's somehow in opposition to my statement when in fact I acknowledged it from the beginning.

 

But by all means, keep letting that straw man know who's boss.

 

Edited January 2 by Lord Nord