Dark Angels next week

[Kharn13]

43 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

One of which is also a known entity for BA&SW, So I'd guess Sanguinary Guard and Death Company for BA, not that that was hard to guess.  For SW it could be Oops all Wolf Guard, Oops all Wolf Cavalry, Oops all Wulfen, or something unlikely like a Lone Wolf Scout/Phobos shenanigans detachment.

 

This reminds me both BA and SW had some extra stuff regarding Flesh Tearers and Wolfspear in 9th, was there a set of successor rules like that for the Dark Angels?

BA already have Sons of Sanguinius, so I would guess Death Company and Flesh Tearers (I hope) for the other two.

[Karhedron]

46 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

This reminds me both BA and SW had some extra stuff regarding Flesh Tearers and Wolfspear in 9th, was there a set of successor rules like that for the Dark Angels?

 

Flesh Tearers had their own stuff in 9th including some unique stratagems and Relics IIRC. So it is not impossible BAs will get a FT Detachment, possibly alongside a Death Company Detachment too. I don't remember any DA successors having rules in 9th.

[jaxom]

43 minutes ago, Doctor Perils said:

To the current DA players: is there any way to add the RAVENWING keyword to normal models? And DEATHWING?

At the moment: no, because those keywords don't exist in the DA Index. I can only assume that they're going to be added to updated data slates for DA units and a there will a line somewhere in the supplement about which SM codex units get them.

[mecanojavi99]

47 minutes ago, Doctor Perils said:

To the current DA players: is there any way to add the RAVENWING keyword to normal models? And DEATHWING?

As far as I know it's not a thing in the index, which makes sense considering the Index's only detachment is green wing focused.

 

Which means that Terminators and Outriders among other units will gain said keywords trough the appropriate detachments and/or in their updated datasheets in the supplement.

[Blindhamster]

It’s pretty interesting how they’ve approached detachments, dark angels were the easy one imo, actual dark angels have an obvious split like that.

 

I wonder what the rules will look like for the deathwing one. Did we see what deathwing knights do yet?

[ZeroWolf]

25 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

It’s pretty interesting how they’ve approached detachments, dark angels were the easy one imo, actual dark angels have an obvious split like that.

 

I wonder what the rules will look like for the deathwing one. Did we see what deathwing knights do yet?

Not yet, but this weeks battle report is using the deathwing detachment so we'll probably see rules from it surface tomorrow.

[twopounder]

WC preview shows vengeance, darkshroud and black knights, so I'd expect those won't be removed/renewed. Since bikes are now gone, I would not expect those to be refreshed and sadly that doesn't leave anything new for RW unless they renew the nephalim/dark talon, but the last part of the article would indicate that no Ravenwing units are being refreshed.

 

Given this, I'd suspect the full release will be

 

Belial

Asmodai

Deathwing Knights

Chapter (legion) upgrade sprue

Redeemed 

Codex

Eventual (later) Ezekial release (he's now the oldest model in the game and still sold in pewter, meaning they haven't even recast him in resin at any point). Reason given is that everyone who gets the new codex will know immediately from the unit entry if there is a new Ezekial model and they would have announced him by now if he was coming with the DA release. I'd expect him maybe in June-ish and include a tie in with Lion. I don't see them not releasing a few dramatis personae with the usual summer lore advancement. DA left everything on a cliffhanger that's going to need to be resolved and its the perfect time to introduce him in a campaign book or some such.

 

That's pretty much it. So not has heavy of a refresh as the release that brought DW Terminators/Command Squad/Knights, Black Knights, Nephalim/Dark Talon, Darkshroud/Vengeance and the updated Ravenwing bikes and landspeeders. To be honest, I was really only hoping for either a fix to the darkshroud/vengeance that removed that cupola or better outriders. Outside of those and Belial, there was nothing really wrong with the old models. Okay, the veterans could use a refresh, but its easy enough to kitbash/print a better squad.

[irlLordy]

Divergent chapters will get access to 9 detachments then (6 codex + 3 unique)? I thought GW were trying to get away from paint schemes mattering :)

[Karhedron]

2 minutes ago, irlLordy said:

Divergent chapters will get access to 9 detachments then (6 codex + 3 unique)? I thought GW were trying to get away from paint schemes mattering :)

 

If you want to run a Terminator-heavy list and decide the Deathwing Detachment works better for you than the regular First Company detachment then go for it. It won't matter if your Terminators are painted blue. You feel that the Ravenwing rules capture the feel of mounted White Scars better than the Stormlance Taskforce? You can do that.

[Handsome Fred]

What is the timing of the battlereports release on whtv?

[irlLordy]

24 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

If you want to run a Terminator-heavy list and decide the Deathwing Detachment works better for you than the regular First Company detachment then go for it. It won't matter if your Terminators are painted blue. You feel that the Ravenwing rules capture the feel of mounted White Scars better than the Stormlance Taskforce? You can do that.

 

Sure, unless you wanted your chapter specific characters I guess. It does feel a bit like Space Marines get to double up on some detachments though, theres 2 bike focused detachments for space marines, (presumably) 2 veteran focused detachments, which will only increase as more divergent chapter supplements get released. 

 

I would have thought the divergent chapters would focus more on the actual chapter specific units than being more generic like the ravenwing one here. Nids got a detachment focussed around 4 units for example. Maybe that will be the case for the likes of the BA death company focussed detachment.

 

The other interesting thing is seeing conditional battleline units based on detachment. This is a great idea, kinda surprised it wasn't in some of the codexes already, e.g. skorpekh destroyers and flayed ones being battleline in an anihilation legion detachment.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Handsome Fred said:

What is the timing of the battlereports release on whtv?

Usually around 1pm GMT (3.5 hours from now)

Edited January 17 by irlLordy

[Alternis]

14 hours ago, Kharn13 said:

BA already have Sons of Sanguinius, so I would guess Death Company and Flesh Tearers (I hope) for the other two.

It’s most likely going to be 1 detachment loosely focused around Death Company, and one detachment that may be focused around the Golden Host (Dante, Sanguinary Guard, Sanguinary Ancient, Sanguinor) or it will be more generalist based and focus on jump infantry. 

 

Looking at the DA’s detachments, that’s the feeling I get. 

[Blindhamster]

deathwing knights are 4 wounds, inner circle rule is reduce damage by 1.

 

detachment ability:

Edited January 17 by Blindhamster

[Karhedron]

1 minute ago, Blindhamster said:

deathwing knights are 4 wounds, inner circle rule is reduce damage by 1.

 

Yowzer!  Those guys are going to be harder to shift than curry stains on a white shirt!

[Blindhamster]

Deathwing ability:
 

 

new stratagem:

 

Weapons

Belials sword of silence: Precision, 6 atacks, hitting on 2s, strength 6, -2 AP and 2 damage

Deathwing knight power weapons: 5 atacks, hitting on 2s, strength 6, -2 AP and 1 damage

Deathwing knight master relic weapon: Lethal hits, 6 atacks, hitting on 2s, strength 7, -2 AP and 2 damage

Edited January 17 by Blindhamster

[01RTB01]

Advocating people buy two boxes as a basis of an army is somewhat false economy. With terminators being $80(cad) per box and the release box being $270 then a second box wouldn't be worth it at all. Yes the codex and character could be sold but it's not as if the box is coming with a monster discount?

 

Plus the fact that many people will struggle to get one, let alone two...

[Vardus]

34 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

Yowzer!  Those guys are going to be harder to shift than curry stains on a white shirt!

 

They have gone up 55pts, with Deathwing Terminators going up by 5 looking at the posted roster at the end of the article. 

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/17/battling-with-deathwing-terminators-a-gamers-guide/

 

(Edit; that's for a unit of 5 on each and not per model)

(Edit2: added article link)

Edited January 17 by Vardus

[Casual Heresy]

The WarCom article confirms some points changes from the imminent Munitorum Manual. Deathwing Terminators up to 205pts from 200pts, Deathwing Knights going to 290pts from 235pts (ouch!)  Hoping for drops on dreadnughts and chaplains otherwise the list I've written needs some serious tweaking thanks to the jump in cost for the knights.

[Redcomet]

10 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Advocating people buy two boxes as a basis of an army is somewhat false economy. With terminators being $80(cad) per box and the release box being $270 then a second box wouldn't be worth it at all. Yes the codex and character could be sold but it's not as if the box is coming with a monster discount?

 

Plus the fact that many people will struggle to get one, let alone two...

They advocated doubling up on terminators, not the launch box. No reason to go look for controversy 

[WrathOfTheLion]

31 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Weapons

Belials sword of silence: Precision, 6 atacks, hitting on 2s, strength 6, -2 AP and 2 damage

Deathwing knight power weapons: 5 atacks, hitting on 2s, strength 6, -2 AP and 1 damage

Deathwing knight master relic weapon: Lethal hits, 6 atacks, hitting on 2s, strength 7, -2 AP and 2 damage

If you built the flail on an old kit, I guess the relic weapon is what you'd run it as? Otherwise, not looking bad. I'd like to see if the maces are still separate weapons, but they probably won't show that off in the battle report, as from what I've seen so far they just have the swords.

[Handsome Fred]

10 minutes ago, Casual Heresy said:

The WarCom article confirms some points changes from the imminent Munitorum Manual. Deathwing Terminators up to 205pts from 200pts, Deathwing Knights going to 290pts from 235pts (ouch!)  Hoping for drops on dreadnughts and chaplains otherwise the list I've written needs some serious tweaking thanks to the jump in cost for the knights.

 

I can't find the confimation in the article above

[WrathOfTheLion]

Just now, Handsome Fred said:

 

I can't find the confimation in the article above

It's in the segment where they show off the list

 

[Vardus]

Just now, Handsome Fred said:

 

I can't find the confimation in the article above

 

You need to compare the posted roster to the current points, so no direct points cost comparison in the article.

[Flaherty]

22 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

They advocated doubling up on terminators, not the launch box. No reason to go look for controversy 

 

They did try to push a second box.

 

However, I'm wondering if the new, perhaps announced at tonight's preview,  Combat Patrol is a Terminator Librarian, A squad of terminators, and a Ballistus dreadnought, with an upgrade kit if they're feeling lucky. 

[Handsome Fred]

14 minutes ago, Vardus said:

 

You need to compare the posted roster to the current points, so no direct points cost comparison in the article.

 

I got it but I can't see confirmation about those points aren't like last time (tyr codex preview or br I don't remember) just old points and not from the new mfm