Plastic Legio Custodes Battlegroup + Coronus Grav-Carrier + Venatari + Liber

[Scribe]

Just now, Norman Paperman said:

I think that giving a very firm no to female Space Marines was 95% of the reasoning behind the article.

 

lol, as GW has demonstrated, no canon is ever really safe.

[Robbienw]

44 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kcuvmezh/new-custodes-your-questions-answered/

 

The funniest thing about this is it absolutely reinforces the point there will never be lady marines 

[Crimson Longinus]

5 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

lol, as GW has demonstrated, no canon is ever really safe.

I hope you are right, and we eventually get female space marines.

[DeadFingers]

50 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kcuvmezh/new-custodes-your-questions-answered/

 

I don't like this article.

 

 

We can't, Geedubs, because THERE ISN'T ONE! You haven't made a plastic Telemon, just like you haven't made plastic Aquilon Terminators. Both of these things make me sad.

 

Sorry, what's that? Oh, the article's actually about the female custodes? Yeah they're alright.

Edited January 16 by DeadFingers

[phandaal]

41 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kcuvmezh/new-custodes-your-questions-answered/

 

 

I will never be a fan of this change for reasons already danced around in a bunch of different threads, and they really did the Sisters of Silence dirty by not giving them a bigger focus rather than just making some Custodes female. That said, this is about 10,000 (see what I did there?) times better than the initial way it was handled.

 

If they are going to retcon it this way, the least they can do is give it a thoughtful explanation that respects their fans' intelligence rather than a thoughtless, gaslighting twitter comment. So they get some credit for that.

[Joe]

Jokes aside, it's fairly clear the rest of the Custodes stuff is coming as part of a second wave. Big question will be if Sisters of Silence get any look-in at all.

[Scribe]

1 minute ago, Crimson Longinus said:

I hope you are right, and we eventually get female space marines.

 

And I think this is an abomination of a take, and is why we have to push back on every stupid retcon GW implements.

[Norman Paperman]

2 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

lol, as GW has demonstrated, no canon is ever really safe.

Yeah, I get that. But acknowledging and giving a clear affirmation of boundary to those against is pretty significant IMO. 

[HeadlessCross]

3 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

And I think this is an abomination of a take, and is why we have to push back on every stupid retcon GW implements.

What's the measure of a "stupid" retcon though? Some people say the Necron one regarding the CTan was stupid, while many others (including myself) appreciate the fact it made them more dynamic than "Metal Tyranids with gods you could kill on the tabletop". 

[Scribe]

Just now, HeadlessCross said:

What's the measure of a "stupid" retcon though? Some people say the Necron one regarding the CTan was stupid, while many others (including myself) appreciate the fact it made them more dynamic than "Metal Tyranids with gods you could kill on the tabletop". 

 

Pretty much any retcon, but especially one that is for nonsensical reasons external to the game, and especially one that could lead to the slippery slope of 'yeah there was always Female Space Marines duh!'

[Astartes Consul]

6 minutes ago, Joe said:

Jokes aside, it's fairly clear the rest of the Custodes stuff is coming as part of a second wave. Big question will be if Sisters of Silence get any look-in at all.

 

They were quite vague on the stream in answer to a question about SoS, but didn't flat out say no. Just that there would be no new Sisters accompanying this release.

[Marshal Reinhard]

New infantry models look a lot better proportioned. 

Vehicles seem to be a 1 for 1, but now in plastic so a another win.

 

Overall though I'm not really the target audience, as I don't particularly care for the faction much beyond the look of the armor. While I might fairly frequently do a marine without a helm, a custodes force would be the one time where every single model retains their helm. I like them better as entirely identity-less beyond their armor which signifies them as the caretaker and protector of the emperor himself.

[SvenIronhand]

2 minutes ago, Scribe said:

Pretty much any retcon, but especially one that is for nonsensical reasons external to the game, and especially one that could lead to the slippery slope of 'yeah there was always Female Space Marines duh!'

Would you rather Pygmies still be a thing in fantasy, then?

[Crimson Longinus]

5 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

And I think this is an abomination of a take, and is why we have to push back on every stupid retcon GW implements.

 

When they bring back shirtless Custodes and penal legionary marines and Leman Russ is again just a marine commander and primarchs do not exist, sure. At least we these days have returned to the orthodox original lore of marines having grav-tanks. And of course marines being male only needs to go too, as that is not mentioned in the original Rogue Trader. 

[WARMASTER_]

25 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

the heresy range is generally a bit smaller and more “true” scale than 40K in terms of proportions. 

Looks at the MKII Assault marines… I kid, but let’s be honest with ourselves the Heresy portions and scaling has been all over the place since inception and it’s not got any better since the main studio took over 

[Scribe]

3 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

Would you rather Pygmies still be a thing in fantasy, then?

 

Nah, pretty sure Pygmies were not part of any game in its modern incarnation, did they retcon pygmies? Who knows? What ancient edition of Fantasy were they in?

[WARMASTER_]

14 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

I hope you are right, and we eventually get female space marines.

I hope this is a joke

[Scribe]

2 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

When they bring back shirtless Custodes and penal legionary marines and Leman Russ is again just a marine commander and primarchs do not exist, sure. At least we these days have returned to the orthodox original lore of marines having grav-tanks. And of course marines being male only needs to go too, as that is not mentioned in the original Rogue Trader. 

 

None of which reflect the modern (3rd+) edition of the game, in any way.

[HeadlessCross]

11 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Pretty much any retcon, but especially one that is for nonsensical reasons external to the game, and especially one that could lead to the slippery slope of 'yeah there was always Female Space Marines duh!'

You really didn't answer the question and just stated "all retcons bad". 

 

Was the Half Eldar Half Space Marine Librarian a bad retcon then?

[Crimson Longinus]

Just now, WARMASTER_ said:

I hope this is a joke

 

It's not. My only issue with female custodes is that it should have been marines. Custodes are marginal niche faction, so if they are gender-locked that really is not an issue, same way than SoB being gender-locked isn't. But marines are the main faction around which both HH an 40K revolve, and they're the customisable faction with a lot of different flavours. You can have viking marines, roman marines, vampire marines, maori marines, and whatever sort of marines you could imagine... as long as it is not girl marines! It is just pointless restriction that was thrown in some ancient lore to justify GW not making female marine models at the moment, and it is sad and disturbing so many people see it as some sort of sacred red line. 

[Scribe]

Just now, HeadlessCross said:

You really didn't answer the question and just stated "all retcons bad". 

 

Was the Half Eldar Half Space Marine Librarian a bad retcon then?

 

No, I should have clarified.

 

I believe 3rd is the actual foundation of the game as we know it. Stuff like our Half Eldar friend clearly no longer exists.

[Castellan Wulfrik]

These looked fantastic on first glance but the more I looked at them the more out of place the legs look. To have intricate filigree and details across the entire upper body but have plain legs is very jarring, they almost look like they belong to completely different models and were kitbashed together. It gets worse when you look at the models with shields as the shields are insanely sculpted compared to the legs and look even more out of place. What's particularly weird is they kept the detail on the dreadnought legs and they look great, so the design philosophy isn't even consistent across the refresh. It's a really bizarre design choice. 

[Crimson Longinus]

6 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

None of which reflect the modern (3rd+) edition of the game, in any way.

 

Yes. And if your stance had been consistently applied from the get-go, the lore you now see as sacred and inviolable would not exist, as it was a retcon of the previous lore. 

 

 

[Scribe]

1 minute ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

Yes. And if your stance had been consistently applied from the get-go, the lore you now see as sacred and inviolable would not exist, as it was a retcon of the previous lore. 

 

 

 

I dont care, all that super old stuff has not been reinforced for decades.

 

Marines are Male, right up till GW caves and changes it.

[Scribe]

16 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

When they bring back shirtless Custodes

 

BTW, go nuts, lets see how that goes now eh?